hi.

i have $5000 to put into my car.

im thinking b16 + turbo kit.

i need to factor in the cost of mounts, exhaust fabrication, axles, etc. because it is going into an S model del sol.

i have a few questions though. since the engine will be a 92-95 (SiR-II) i assume it will be an OBDI, and i can use the P30 ecu that comes with it?

what kind of boost can i run on a stock b16 SAFELY?

what kind of fuel management should i be looking at? i was thinking dsm 450cc injectors and the apexi hack...

can anyone enlighten me? please dont say search, i did and i tried each question individually, and came up with waaaay too much **** to sort though.

 

wow you still havent put a car together. didnt u ask this a long time ago??? did the other posts help you out any?

 

no. i asked more a broader question, and started an argument thread over why ls is better than d series and so on.

 

I run 11 psi... hasn't popped yet

 

what turbo kit?

 

if the ecu is obd1, then you can use it.

alot of people are running around 300hp (including me) on a stock b16/b18. everyone defines "safe" a little differently.

look into using uberdata with those 450's, much better alternative than the hack.

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ndogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if the ecu is obd1, then you can use it.

alot of people are running around 300hp (including me) on a stock b16/b18. everyone defines "safe" a little differently.

look into using uberdata with those 450's, much better alternative than the hack.

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata</TD></TR></TABLE>

I ran mine alittle over 300whp before winter...everything was fine and i plan to make more with my new setup

 

what turbo kit, and what psi to hit 250hp plus?

 

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no kit here. the psi isn't really important. you need to pick peak hp goals, and your powerband goals and then pick the turbo/turbo kit that will meet those goals.

 

hrm if i wanted 250hp, with daily driveability what would you think i should do?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hrm if i wanted 250hp, with daily driveability what would you think i should do?</TD></TR></TABLE> with $5k to play with..you can do a lot with that.
Find a B16 or B18B OBD1 and get a rev hard or drag kit...thats enough to whoop some asses


If you can get a B18C1 without breaking your budget....that will even be better
Spend around $2k for the swap..and $3k for turbo and fuel management stuffie.

 

i bought my gsr swap for 1500 then prolly put about 3500 into my turbo setup including hondata and tuning... prolly couldve done it a lot cheaper but i went with a lot a new/name brand stuff....

good luck!

 

i have to include the cost of an exhaust and tuning in there

 

dude cheap way of doing it is peicing together your own swap...don't buy full swaps...you can get a B16 engine for like 600 bucks.....then buy some used axles for cheap and a few little odds and ends and your set

 

where in gods name can i get a b16 (obd1) with low miles for $600

 

http://www.hmotorsonline.com

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this one?

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30022

for that price, i should just opt for a gsr
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30024

what ecu would i run though?

 

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30021

not obd1 though.

 

I personally am a B16a3 man myself....and have you ever thought of checking ebay? Heck I have 5 bare B16 blocks and have spent 130 bucks on them and that includes shipping...most of them I got for 1.00 plus shipping I have B16 heads I bought for as little as 100 bucks shipped...all about bargain shopping and patience...

 

bump for good info.

 

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not obd1 though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i thought engines were obd1 up until 96. what does SiR-II mean?

 

so what it comes down to is this:

whats better to boost, gsr or b16?
1800 for the gsr, 900 for the b16.

is it worth the extra cash to go for the gsr?

then i have to find a tranny, a lsd, an ecu, axles, del sol vtec shift linkage...

THEN i can put on a turbo kit, and tune it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what it comes down to is this:

whats better to boost, gsr or b16?
1800 for the gsr, 900 for the b16.

is it worth the extra cash to go for the gsr?

then i have to find a tranny, a lsd, an ecu, axles, del sol vtec shift linkage...

THEN i can put on a turbo kit, and tune it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If only it was that simple
It should be that simple, but it never seem's to be, just be sure to keep about $600 in the bank to cover the problems you will have.

 

Fully built single cam turbo!

 

what tranny would you guys reccomend on the b16 or b18?