boosting with an all motor set up
03-12-2006, 02:11 PM
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i'm going to say retarded - i guess maybe you could get away with 4psi at the most; however, it'll suck *** - especially with your cams. Cams would kill the setup - so just keep what you have now. maybe run a little nitrous or something.
03-12-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: (TheKINGPin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKINGPin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm going to say retarded - i guess maybe you could get away with 4psi at the most; however, it'll suck *** - especially with your cams. Cams would kill the setup - so just keep what you have now. maybe run a little nitrous or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you have never done it dont speak out your ***
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if you have never done it dont speak out your ***
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jdm itr pistons- 11.3 cp
sp manifold
skunk2 im
jdm itr tb
precision sc-61 turbo
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aeromotive fpr
walbro fp
act hd clutch
ctr crank pulley
ctr camshaft
rc 550 cc injectors
hondata s300
296whp 194 tq on 6psi on mustang dyno
i love the **** out of it you will too
03-12-2006, 02:23 PM
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Re: (93h22a1vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93h22a1vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do ur cams compare to mine... if u know</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have ctr intake cam, if it comes to that you can find some gsr cams or itr cams for cheap swap them out and sell your all motor cams
i have ctr intake cam, if it comes to that you can find some gsr cams or itr cams for cheap swap them out and sell your all motor cams
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03-12-2006, 02:24 PM
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Re: (93h22a1vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93h22a1vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got h22 not a B</TD></TR></TABLE>
find some h22 cams for cheap
find some h22 cams for cheap
03-12-2006, 02:30 PM
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Re: (93h22a1vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93h22a1vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have 2 extra sets, but idk, maybe i can trade mine for crower turbo cams</TD></TR></TABLE>
stock cams will be just fine
stock cams will be just fine
03-12-2006, 02:30 PM
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i would say change your cams and run stock or turbo cams and get a good tuner that you trust, and if you want to lower your compression a bit more you can get a thicker headgasket.
03-12-2006, 03:42 PM
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you can run a lil boost on an allmotor based engine but its just a waste of money...
i mean you can make more power per dollar buying lower comp pistons and running higher boost than you will if you spend $3k on a turbo kit just to run 6psi and even then you will have to have a really good tune and anything more will be putting u into the red [detonation] zone
i mean you can make more power per dollar buying lower comp pistons and running higher boost than you will if you spend $3k on a turbo kit just to run 6psi and even then you will have to have a really good tune and anything more will be putting u into the red [detonation] zone
03-12-2006, 03:49 PM
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Re: (turbotime)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotime »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can run a lil boost on an allmotor based engine but its just a waste of money...
i mean you can make more power per dollar buying lower comp pistons and running higher boost than you will if you spend $3k on a turbo kit just to run 6psi and even then you will have to have a really good tune and anything more will be putting u into the red [detonation] zone</TD></TR></TABLE>if he has a good tuner he will still be able to make power even with that compression. Like i have said plenty of times, its really going to depend on the skill of his tuner and the fuel at hand. This "all-motor" build will/can make power even with the compression he has, he just needs a good tuner and because of his compression he can make more power at the same psi vs an engine with a lower static compression.
i mean you can make more power per dollar buying lower comp pistons and running higher boost than you will if you spend $3k on a turbo kit just to run 6psi and even then you will have to have a really good tune and anything more will be putting u into the red [detonation] zone</TD></TR></TABLE>if he has a good tuner he will still be able to make power even with that compression. Like i have said plenty of times, its really going to depend on the skill of his tuner and the fuel at hand. This "all-motor" build will/can make power even with the compression he has, he just needs a good tuner and because of his compression he can make more power at the same psi vs an engine with a lower static compression.
03-12-2006, 03:52 PM
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^ I agree with you totally except the amount of overlap on his cams will probably hurt more than help.
I believe he would make more at the same pressure with stock H22 cams.
I believe he would make more at the same pressure with stock H22 cams.
03-12-2006, 03:58 PM
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Re: (Jay_Sensing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay_Sensing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ I agree with you totally except the amount of overlap on his cams will probably hurt more than help.
I believe he would make more at the same pressure with stock H22 cams.</TD></TR></TABLE> werd, i agree on the overlap aswell. thats why on my post above i stated "change your cams and run stock or turbo cams"
I believe he would make more at the same pressure with stock H22 cams.</TD></TR></TABLE> werd, i agree on the overlap aswell. thats why on my post above i stated "change your cams and run stock or turbo cams"
03-12-2006, 04:02 PM
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Re: (TheKINGPin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKINGPin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm going to say retarded - i guess maybe you could get away with 4psi at the most; however, it'll suck *** - especially with your cams. Cams would kill the setup - so just keep what you have now. maybe run a little nitrous or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Damn those naturally aspirated cams, like those ones that GSC motorsports put into their motor that previously had skunk2 turbo cams in it, and made 90 more WHP at the same boost level. That's about a 16% gain in horsepower. Pretty much every shelf stock turbo cam for B and H-series motors out there is trash because they have way too little overlap, and the left on Skunk2 "turbo" cams is even lower than stock!
Overlap contributes to VE, and VE makes for more horsepower - boosted or naturally aspirated. The only thing that will suck about this setup is how you're going to get addicted to turbo power, and arn't going to be able to throw that much boost at it on pump gas, being that you're already at 11.5:1 SCR.
Damn those naturally aspirated cams, like those ones that GSC motorsports put into their motor that previously had skunk2 turbo cams in it, and made 90 more WHP at the same boost level. That's about a 16% gain in horsepower. Pretty much every shelf stock turbo cam for B and H-series motors out there is trash because they have way too little overlap, and the left on Skunk2 "turbo" cams is even lower than stock!
Overlap contributes to VE, and VE makes for more horsepower - boosted or naturally aspirated. The only thing that will suck about this setup is how you're going to get addicted to turbo power, and arn't going to be able to throw that much boost at it on pump gas, being that you're already at 11.5:1 SCR.
03-12-2006, 04:04 PM
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thanks for everyones input... you think i would be better off with a supercharger or turbo for low boost? and i am on a budget, so which one would be cheaper for me to do too.
03-12-2006, 04:05 PM
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Re: (93h22a1vtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93h22a1vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for everyones input... you think i would be better off with a supercharger or turbo for low boost? and i am on a budget, so which one would be cheaper for me to do too. </TD></TR></TABLE> Nitrous is imo the best bang for the buck.
03-12-2006, 04:17 PM
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If your going to be running pump gas most of the time look into getting some 9:1 pistons and defintely get some stock cams. I don't want to hear anything about tuning either, I know it can be done, but 11.5:1 on pump gas is retarded...
03-12-2006, 04:55 PM
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additionallu isnt there a difference between allmotor rods and turbo rods? Im pretty sure rods are rated on power per cylinder, make sure the all motor rods you have are going to support the extra power the turbo will produce...[if u have aftermarket rods, if u dont, ull needem]
Yeah the cams need to be changed too, i agree.
Also if that h22 isnt sleeved yet you prolly want to look into it, they are notorious for blowing up with stock sleeves, esp. running the setup your proposing.
i didnt read all the posts so i might have missed something
Yeah the cams need to be changed too, i agree.
Also if that h22 isnt sleeved yet you prolly want to look into it, they are notorious for blowing up with stock sleeves, esp. running the setup your proposing.
i didnt read all the posts so i might have missed something
03-13-2006, 01:31 PM
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there are maybe TWO people in this thread that know what they are talking about.
boost it, why the hell not. run 7psi with a GOOD tune and u'll be very safe. the car will be TONS of fun to drive
boost it, why the hell not. run 7psi with a GOOD tune and u'll be very safe. the car will be TONS of fun to drive
03-13-2006, 01:46 PM
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Re: (I Have an STD)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I Have an STD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are maybe TWO people in this thread that know what they are talking about.boost it, why the hell not. run 7psi with a GOOD tune and u'll be very safe. the car will be TONS of fun to drive</TD></TR></TABLE>