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Old Sep 22, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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Ok im a noob on a boost controller.
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Can someone also send me a vids on WG i don't quite understand why you would need pressure to the WG as you guys were recently discussing. I would like to learn more about it.
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Old Sep 22, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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so connect the bottom hose on the WG to the turbo. right?
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Old Sep 22, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

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so connect the bottom hose on the WG to the turbo. right?
YES.

A number of people have already confirmed this answer.



http://www.tialmedia.com/documents/w..._wginstall.pdf
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 03:44 AM
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ok and the boost controller goes on the top
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 03:45 AM
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but why are they both connect together on the picture i thought bottom to turbo and top to boost controller
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Silva Bullit DC4
PM mtber (John Vega) from Phearable.net & cop you an OmniPower 4 bar MAP sensor. It's a direct bolt on replacement for the stock one. Get your tuner to install it right before the tune, as your car will have to be configured for an aftermarket MAP sensor. Keep your stock one on the car until you get there.

As for the WG reference source, TiAL Sport recommends you run a pressure source to the WG, rather than a vacuum source. If your turbo compressor housing does not have a place for a reference source, you can drill & tap it (1/8 NPT). It's good to use 1/4" I.D. rubber vacuum hose.
+1 phearable.net can help you with the map sensor, I bought a 4 bar omni power map sensor from john and we installed it before he tuned my car and the 4 bar works great!
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 05:41 AM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by freddysEF
but why are they both connect together on the picture i thought bottom to turbo and top to boost controller
ignore the drawing, it's old - we will have a new series of them up soon

if you have a manual controller, go from turbo to MBC inlet, MBC outlet to side/bottom port of the gate


for an EBC, follow the EBC install instructions
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by freddysEF
ok and the boost controller goes on the top
Depends on what type of boost controller you are using. If you have a manual boost controller then the top port on the WG is left open, if you have an electronic boost controller then the top port on the WG is connected to a port on the electronic boost controller solenoid.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:05 AM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by freddysEF
but why are they both connect together on the picture i thought bottom to turbo and top to boost controller
Lets kinda start from the beginning. What psi are you tuned at? What type of boost controller do you have?
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-BBh...layer_embedded

http://www.turbosmartonline.com/index.php?id=537
look here for diagram for manual boost controller Tials diagram is unclear.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:04 AM
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Connections for the electrial controllers may varry depending on back pressure in the system. always folow the specific instructions from your controlers manufatures due to companies using their own solinoids. Turbosmart has a 3 port solinoid like AEM but Blitz and greddy and HKS use their oun versions of 2 port solinoids. Read carefully to avoid confusion. Good luck.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:11 AM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by TOPHERS-RACING-LOGISTICS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-BBh...layer_embedded

http://www.turbosmartonline.com/index.php?id=537
look here for diagram for manual boost controller Tials diagram is unclear.
HA!! I came across this video in my search. The OP hasn't said what boost controller he is using and different boost controllers have different installations. Turbosmart has some really good documents/visuals.

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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by mechanix619
Lets kinda start from the beginning. What psi are you tuned at? What type of boost controller do you have?
im going to start at 11 since winter is coming and now im thinking of going with an electric boost controller seems easier
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by freddysEF
im going to start at 11 since winter is coming and now im thinking of going with an electric boost controller seems easier
A manual boost controller is actually easier to install. An electronic boost controller is going to require wiring.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by freddysEF
im going to start at 11 since winter is coming and now im thinking of going with an electric boost controller seems easier
Also, are you tuned for 11psi?
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

I'd say get a Blox manual boost controller.


http://www.bloxracing.com/product_in...products_id=96

http://www.addictiveperformance.com/...rx-diagram.jpg
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

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Also, are you tuned for 11psi?
wat the tuner guy told me was that he is going to reprogram my ecu so i can drive it to his shop. so from there he'll make more adjustments, that way i dont have to tow it

he work on alot of d-series motor with my set up or somewat close
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by freddysEF
wat the tuner guy told me was that he is going to reprogram my ecu so i can drive it to his shop. so from there he'll make more adjustments, that way i dont have to tow it

he work on alot of d-series motor with my set up or somewat close
Okay, the story is starting to come together. I kind of figured you weren't tuned yet but I wasn't 100% sure. Can you provide more info regarding your setup? You might not even need a boost controller. Depending on what HP number you are aiming for you might actually need a smaller WG spring. There is still just so much information missing for anyone to be truly helpful. But anyway, the instructions on how to install a manual boost controller has been cover a few times in this thread; I just posted instructions again a few posts back. G/L.
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 09:48 AM
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ok heres the story. i got my D16Y8 motor rebuild,

i got the supertech valve train with stock cam on the head. Skunk2 intake manifold with 68mm throttle body

The block, i did the vitara build from FJ i got the vitara pistons with custom rods with OEM head gasket, ACL bearings.

For my ECU i went OBD1 (p28 chip) now i cant remember which chip he use.

so now im getting ready to install my turbo set up since i got 3000 miles on the motor.

turbo setup i got, cast iron manifold, precision 50 or 57 trim turbo, tail W/G, HKS BOV, 650cc precision injectors, intercooler with piping,
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 11:15 AM
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If you go electric that True boost from AEM works well, use it on a 500hp rx7 we track. Good luck sounds you have a cool setup going together.. keep doing it right and dont blow it up
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Old Sep 26, 2010 | 06:10 PM
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a manual mbc is much easier to install....
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 07:30 AM
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If you go electric that True boost from AEM works well, use it on a 500hp rx7 we track. Good luck sounds you have a cool setup going together.. keep doing it right and dont blow it up
I completely agree that AEM Tru-Boost is sick. I kind of wish I would have purchased it instead of the Blitz. To the OP, I think the AEM boost controller is more than you need. It has a lot of settings and a lot of options. For about 90-95% of turbo users, a manual boost controller is more than sufficient, even for mild-racing.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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Default Re: a bit confuse on tail wastege

Originally Posted by freddysEF
ok heres the story. i got my D16Y8 motor rebuild,

i got the supertech valve train with stock cam on the head. Skunk2 intake manifold with 68mm throttle body

The block, i did the vitara build from FJ i got the vitara pistons with custom rods with OEM head gasket, ACL bearings.

For my ECU i went OBD1 (p28 chip) now i cant remember which chip he use.

so now im getting ready to install my turbo set up since i got 3000 miles on the motor.

turbo setup i got, cast iron manifold, precision 50 or 57 trim turbo, tail W/G, HKS BOV, 650cc precision injectors, intercooler with piping,
If I understand correctly, the ECU you are using is just chipped with say a Skunk2 or similar chip? What compression ratio are your pistons?
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 07:41 AM
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He sounded a bit more hardcore then just 6psi so for a build like your doing freddy id really use the electric boost controller since it will help maintain your pressure and help prevent spiking.. Its alot smarter to have that safety there when your dumping 2k+ into a turbo setup.. not to mention your time invested, the $300 dollar boost controller is well worth it.

iv used a DNA manual boost controller and it was $80 so i mean your only spending $220 for the right controller lol
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanix619
If I understand correctly, the ECU you are using is just chipped with say a Skunk2 or similar chip? What compression ratio are your pistons?
well on the website it said 8:5 but another guys said 9:1 the way i setup my motor.
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