easy_vtec

Im new to the fi side of things. After alot of consideration im contemplating a turbo ls build or lsvtec my power goals are 300whp-325 i have a budget of $2000.00 where should i begin. i currently have a b18a block and a oem honda bottom end rebuild kit. Id love to hear suggestions and feedback as i dont want to overbuy underbuy parts i have connections to an extremely reputable tuner and friends with tons of engine building experience. help a honda brother out! to reach my power numbers i think n/a is out of the question.

Thanks a ton guys/gals!

Easy

ryguy2588

iTrader: (11)

Look in the forced induction classifieds on here. There are a lot of parts for good deals that people are trying to sell. If you know how to classify good parts from bad parts, you can do craigslist too. If you're trying to find out what parts to buy, do a search and there are a lot of threads pertaining to how to build a turbo kit.

CDecker0218

Garrett 57 trim
Boost flow ramhorn kit or Spoolin Performance Log manifold kit
Presicion 350whp intercooler
Custom Intercooler piping
Tial 38mm Wastegate
Greddy type BOV
RC or PTE injectors with anything over 440cc

other misc...

easy_vtec

question would a factory rebuilt ls bottom end hold this with eagle hbeams and cp 9.6:1 forged turbo pistons? its going to be my weekend warrior as i own 3 cars just want something i can fly around in on my days off i have an amazing tuner. just curious what i should buy to keep my bottom end alive as i dont want to waste money on things that arnt nessecary.. half the forum says block gaurd half says none? this is why i posted after reading so many threads and getting mixed ideas. a good build list would be appreciated or examples of what others are running valvecover to oilpan would be great if your set ups holding up well id love to have something similar i have lots of friends who keep upgrading there boosted setups i should be able to get turbo parts on the low just want to make sure the block can hold the power. i really cant afford to sleeve at this point as thats almost half my budget right now.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

You're fine. No block guard, 9.6:1 rods and pistons, you'll make more than enough power than you can control (about 450whp) anyway. Its not complicated, and you've obviously read enough to know the components needed. its not a magic formula. Just the right turbo size.

Don't overthink. In this day and age its easier than ever to get what you're asking without giving yourself a headache

easy_vtec

full oem rebuilt b18a block new seals and bearings, oem oil/waterpump, micro polished crank, 255 fuel pump
eagle hbeam rods with forged 9.6:1 pistons
tial 38mm wg
hks bov
440cc injectors
egay pipeing and intercooler
t3 .50ar turbo
hondata s300 with a good tune? anything else needed to hit my 340whp goal??

boosted94gsr

Ur going to need bigger injectors then that and a fuel pump.

easy_vtec

would some 550cc do the trick? im trying to size them just right no sence in having to big id be more than happy reaching my very attainable goal of 325-350whp! thanks for your input i really appricate it!

-easy

boosted94gsr

550s would be near there limit at 350whp. I had FIC750cc injectors in my integra at 360whp, they still idle very well. Plus it wouldn't hurt to have a little head room to make more power in the future...

easy_vtec

thanks boostedgsr for the input ill look into some! anymore ideas to keep the reliablity alive??

Destructive-

you'll be very near the capacity of even 550cc injectors for the 350whp range. Look into upgrading maybe to some 750cc. look in the marketplace around here, you'll find some great deals, maybe some precision or RCs. Like boosted94 said, its always good to have that little extra room if (and when) you get that itch and want to go for a bit more power. If you have a good deal on the s300 then i'd say go for it. but from personal experience (and i stress this, some people may not agree?) the s200 will be another good option for the power range youre in, and could save you some cash there. You dont really need the boost by gear or some of the extra's that the s300 has. I was at 330whp on the s200 and it was more than suitable. I now upgraded to the s300, but only because i went for a bigger build and needed the boost by gear.

happy boosting!

easy_vtec

bump someone help me build a turbo kit

Destructive-

full oem rebuilt b18a block new seals and bearings, oem oil/waterpump, micro polished crank, Walbro 255 fuel pump
eagle hbeam rods with forged 9.6:1 pistons
tial 38mm wg
hks bov
750cc injectors
Intercooler and piping
t3/t4 .57 trim, 63 ar
hondata s200 (my opinion, to save some cash and use it elsewhere)
skunk2 manifold
inlinepro ss log manifold (if youre budget can afford it, id go with a ramhorn style)
3" exhaust piping

start somewhere along these lines

easy_vtec

So I've been hearing mixed opinions on the ramhorns.. hearing they take much longer to spool and I won't hit 350whp on a t3 turbo... I got s200 and ordered some 750cc's any input on charge pipes and intercooler size? Its going into a 92 hatch. I was thinking 2.5" but unsure of intercooler size as well as turbo size I only plan to rev to 6800-7000 until next summer when I fully build my head. Any input would be great! Thanks destructive!

Destructive-

2.5 inch would be good, that way you can keep it the same when you decide to boost more (because you definately will :D )

you can get a 350-400hp intercooler from precision, at that level of power i had the precision 600hp (mostly for the big *** size, bling factor. haha ) but it will work just as great and you'll have more room for when you decide to boost it up.

as far as the ramhorn, i cant tell you directly from MY experience as ive never had the ramhorn, i still use my old ss log manifold, but from the research ive done on it, it takes a bit longer to spool up, but nothing too noticeable, and the power gains outweigh the spool difference. Or if you wanna be a straight baller you can go with a full race tubular manifold

also, no problem, im at work trying to distract myself this last hour. hah

edit - also i dont know who told you that you wont be able to make that power. a Garrett t3/t4 .57 trim 63 ar turbo is good for around 350-400hp (pushing it, but doable) so just do some research and look around to see what other people have made on that turbo. i made a bit under 320whp on 12psi with stock block and head on a gsr engine... maybe Shodan can step in.

cleansi

i would go with a just a simple set of itr cams

oem intake manifold or victor x

pick up a 2.5 or 3 bar map

you can get there with 2.5'' intercooler piping

Destructive-

well he said he wants 300-350whp, gsr cams are perfect for that goal

the victor x has its powerband really high, at 300whp i dont think he'd be getting the benefit of the victor x, thats why the skunk2 is the better choice, i think at least.

cleansi

i figured if hes going to spend the time and money the oem intake manifold will work but if you decide to change probably be worth it just to go to the best for the money i agree gsr cams will work great to and they are dirt cheap

JDMAF

question is now did he order the s200B

samuraijackass

Do you have a vtec head? These power goals are going to be harder to reach without vtec. Also hondata doesn't upgrade the s200 anymore so if you do get a used s200 make sure it already has boost.

JConto

I think he has an LS.

easy_vtec

No vtec head ordered s200 with datalogging and boost control. Victor x is only good from 8k-10k rpm otherwise its pointless. A friend of mine lost power on his lsturbo after he baught one and dyno'ed I plan to keep everything up top stock and only run it to about 6800 then save up and build the head all at once with a spare. P&P with upgraded valves springs retainers cams and port match the stock ls int.mani with a port matched tb. I was reading today that pwr makes a intercooler for eg hatches that bolts right to the front bumper reinforcement that's good up to 475whp. I'm really unsure there's way to much mixed info on h-t and other sites. I any one have a build that made 300+ and is reliable? I have a daily but I do not wanna get stuck somewhere again lols.

Destructive-

Try to find yourself a used, working gsr head. The flow of it, and of course the vtec, will be way more beneficial than the stock ls head. Also now you'll have your gsr cams as well the stock manifold is way too restrictive and you will have a hard time reaching your goals with it, grab a skunk2 and you'll be happy.

racebum

you guys ever do the math on a used gsr head vs a new itr head from an online acura dealer.

for $1500 you get a new itr head, new cams, perfect deck, perfect valves, valve job and itr cams

for $400 you get a worn out gsr head, worn LMA's gsr cams, near spent exhaust valves and often no vtec solenoid

add $300 new valves
add $250 valve job
add $300-400 new LMA's
add $50 shave the head

= $900 + $400 buying the head = $1300 and we haven't bought springs or retainers yet. at least with the itr head you get pretty good turbo cams and new everything

JConto

So, you're saying with Part # 12100-P73-J00, you get cams as well?