You can get T3's on ebay for ~$150, the key is too look around and be patient.

 

What they all said about the T3 is very true, especially about the upgrade path. If you get the 14b setup and want to upgrade later, you're going to need a new turbo AND manifold. However, at that point maybe you'll be ready to spend a little more money and go for an InlinePro and a Precision turbo. In the meantime, the 14b setup will get you started if that's what you're after.

Bottom line, in the long run, the T3 is the way to go. To get started for cheap, the 14b might be your answer.

- Jim

 

sylverius,

thanx for the info. i have the chance to pick up a 14b from a friend for 75 bux. i could always get a t3 mani and use an adapter plate to mount the turbo right? this is the way i think i should go. like you said to get started. that way i can always get t3 turbo and better fuel management down the road.

any more thoughts? they are really helping me think this through, so i do it the right way.


shawn

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by racinskittle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is a no brainer. 14b's are a tad bigger than T25 turbo's. T3's are considerably bigger than the 14b. If you're considering this on any engine other than a D16 i'd recommend going with a T3 60 trim. It'll flow better than any 14b and hold better to redline as well. The best of the T3's is the .60/.63 turbo. The .42/.48 wouldn't be the appropriate turbo if your going to go w/ a T3. The .60/.48 T3 wouldn't be too bad either but if you want a great used turbo the .60/.63 would be your best bet.

GL! </TD></TR></TABLE>
I run the T3 60/.48 A/R turbine with nice results on my D16Y8. It spools 9psi@3200rpm and holds great all the way to redline.

 

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thanx for the info. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Anytime man. Just remember, everything's a tradeoff! The T3 is the better upgrade path, but is a little more expensive now. The 14b is cheaper now but will be more expensive later when you want to upgrade everything. From what I've heard though, get Hondata now. Fuel management is the one thing you should never skimp on! A Hondata S200b unit with boost control should cost you around $400, not much more than a rising-rate FPR setup, and infinitely better!

- Jim

 

I see what you guys are saying, but as far as upgradablility(if that is a word? ) I don't think the 14b's path is that limited...you could just follow the path that the Eclipse guys follow since most of their upgrades bolt to the stock manifold (14b/T25 flange)...but none the less I see what yall are saying, T3 flange allows for more upgradeability in the long long run I guess

 

too bad mitsu turbos are junk.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA-MAX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think the 14b's path is that limited...you could just follow the path that the Eclipse guys follow since most of their upgrades bolt to the stock manifold (14b/T25 flange)</TD></TR></TABLE>

You've got a point there. I do believe I've read about a few DSM guys going the T3 route eventually though, so maybe that's the performance nirvana for both sides. Well, until the T4 I guess. But who knows, there's merit to both sides.

- Jim

 

are mitsu turbos really junk? i'm kinda leary of buying off ebay, and relying on what the seller says. "it has little to no shaft play" could mean a lot of things. i'd hate to spend money and have it be a pc of crap. with the 14b my friend is selling i have the chance to physically see it and inspect it. i'm so undecided now. everyone always gives opposite sides.

am i understanding it right that i can run the 14b turbo with a t3 manifold if i have an adapter plate?

as far as the hondata, i'm still new to that aspect of tuning. i read about how it is one of the best fuel management systems, but i haven't really researched it. it is a piggy back the the factory ecu right?

sorry if these questions are noob, but i like to hear first hand experience from people here who have had these same situations. plus i'm new to the "dark side".

thanx

shawn

 

I don't think the mitsu turbos are junk. I have a friend with a DSM with 250K KM on it and the turbo does not smoke or anything.

Running an adapter might be a bit of a pita. Like the other guys say T3's are a dime a dozen especially the 42/48 's and would be your best choice for down the road. Cause everybody can tell you once you start you can't stop.

I ran a 42/48 on my b18B last year and it was plenty fast for a beginer. I ran 13.8@103 MHP with 13 PSI.

Hondata is a standalone and in my opinion is the best bet for reliability, Look into Uberdata aswell.

My best advice would be do alot of research in here before you buy anything, so you get the best bang for your buck...

 

turboteg96,

http://www.thedropshop.com has the adapter plates for the 14b/t3 manifold for like 90 bux. did you buy your t3 new or was it used? was your b18b built, or did you run the 13psi on stock internals? is there a specific uberdata program i should research?

thanx for the info

shawn

 

I believe Hondata is actually a piggyback, in that it lets the stock ECU do things like idle your engine with accessory loads, etc. Your basic Hondata unit will cost you about $400, and from what I've heard is worth every penny. It's always better to get more power through quality tuning than from more boost and a hack job fuel management setup.

I've never heard anyone give a reasonable explanation of why Mitsu turbos are bad, especially for the money and for a relatively modest setup (~10psi on a 1.8 liter engine). As far as the adapter plate, it costs half as much as a custom log manifold. Think about it, when you upgrade later, you sell the 14b and the manifold as a package. It'll sell. If someone were selling such a setup right now, wouldn't you buy it?

- Jim

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thelate1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turboteg96,

http://www.thedropshop.com has the adapter plates for the 14b/t3 manifold for like 90 bux. shawn</TD></TR></TABLE>

dropshop = he recently jipped some guys out of there money.

if you want ANY adpater for your turbo manifold BMC Racing on homemadeturbo.com is the way to go, Sam is the man!!!! DA CNC MASTA!!!!!!

 

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Tell that to my 155,000 mile 14b that trapped 108 mph on my 3200 pound AWD DSM, and now is running over 100 mph on my roommate's Integra.

They're damned tough.

 

any more insight?

shawn

 

i think im gonna stick with my 14b since the t3 i have is a tad big and it would need a wastegate ($220) and downpipe/flange.

 

so if i'm understanding right, t25 and 14b share the same flange, right? cause i'm looking at the hks manifold and it says that they are for t25 turbos and i wasn't sure if the flange was the same as a 14b.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlickCRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if i'm understanding right, t25 and 14b share the same flange, right? cause i'm looking at the hks manifold and it says that they are for t25 turbos and i wasn't sure if the flange was the same as a 14b.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what I've heard the T25 flange on the HKS mani is supposedly different from the Mitsubishi T25/14b flange...thus it WON'T fit right at all. supposedly the HKS flange is for a Nissan(Garret??) T25...I think(don't quote me), but the Nissan T25s uses a rectangular flange as opposed to the Mitsubishi's square with round inlet flange. if you do search you can probably dig up som more ifo, matter of fact there was a thread just last week with nice close up pics of the HKS mani...but concesus is that Mitsu turbos won't fit it!!

 

I heard that too. I think the T25 that came with the Nissan SR20 was a Garrett piece, while the 2Gen DSM T25 was, obviously, a Mitsubishi turbo.

- Jim