tuning with crome
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tuning with crome
so i just want to be clear, before i go buy the stuff,
to able to use datalogging, i need the honda log cable and crome pro and wideband?
with that i can able to actually able to log what car running, but if i want to tune my map, i would have to load my map from ecu, then tune it then burn on the chip.
if i want to tune it removing the chip and burn rom to chip. i would use ostrich, also it allow me to RTP?
just want to make sure. i couldn't afford the ostrich right now, so i want to at least able to start tuning.
thx
to able to use datalogging, i need the honda log cable and crome pro and wideband?
with that i can able to actually able to log what car running, but if i want to tune my map, i would have to load my map from ecu, then tune it then burn on the chip.
if i want to tune it removing the chip and burn rom to chip. i would use ostrich, also it allow me to RTP?
just want to make sure. i couldn't afford the ostrich right now, so i want to at least able to start tuning.
thx
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Re: tuning with crome
sorry to break the news to you but the ostrich is actually the main component to tuning. your also gonna need a chip burner such as the burn1 or burn2 so you can save the map on a chip orrr you can just leave the ostrich plugged in all the time but i'd rather have the chip.
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Re: tuning with crome
Here is the deal. What mtber said is true. You can pay for the nice stuff that will absolutly make your life easier, but you can also do it yourself. You really need to ask the question: "How much do I care about learning to tune myself cheaply and maybe a little tediously vs. paying someone to do it right the first time without the hassles of figuring out everything for myself. "
The reality is that going it alone the cheap route requires a huge time and understanding commitment to get it right. mtber absolutely has the right suggestion if you are willing to pay around $400-$500 for a good system, and don't want to deal with finding your own basemaps, tracking down open source software, reverse engineering hardware, and on and on. Those things are tedious and time consuming and require a strong attention span, but all can be done yourself if you have enough time and interest, and for a very, very cheap price.
On the other hand, mtber's suggestion will give you pretty much a dream system from the start with very easy to use tools and software that is updated constantly and is widely supported by most honda tuners. The only drawback is price, and for what you get, it is one hell of a deal. But I digress. Below is the explanation of what you need to do if you plan to go it alone and are comfortable taking your time and reading a shitload about how it all works. This stuff was copied from another thread I participated in, so some people don't have deja vu.
The reality is that going it alone the cheap route requires a huge time and understanding commitment to get it right. mtber absolutely has the right suggestion if you are willing to pay around $400-$500 for a good system, and don't want to deal with finding your own basemaps, tracking down open source software, reverse engineering hardware, and on and on. Those things are tedious and time consuming and require a strong attention span, but all can be done yourself if you have enough time and interest, and for a very, very cheap price.
On the other hand, mtber's suggestion will give you pretty much a dream system from the start with very easy to use tools and software that is updated constantly and is widely supported by most honda tuners. The only drawback is price, and for what you get, it is one hell of a deal. But I digress. Below is the explanation of what you need to do if you plan to go it alone and are comfortable taking your time and reading a shitload about how it all works. This stuff was copied from another thread I participated in, so some people don't have deja vu.
Originally Posted by sanimalp
you can modify, tune, and datalog your ecu yourself with nothing more than the cost of a few chips, a rom burner, a wideband o2 meter and some soldering time, if you are so inclined. By far the most expensive, but most necessary part, is the Wideband o2 meter.
You can buy a willem brand rom burner on ebay for around $30, or moates.net sells an easier to use rom burner for $80.
An emulator is not strictly needed for a beginning ecu tuner. The purpose of an emulator is to cut down on the time to switch out eeproms when you are tuning a car. They obviously make life a lot easier, but they also make it more expensive. A rom burner is all you need to start. you make modifications to the binary, then burn it to an electronically erased eeprom, and put the new chip in place of the old, or just keep reburning the same chip until you get the tune right.
strictly speaking, You don't need to buy an emulator. If you want to get in to tuning more than just your car, or want to be able to modify your car on the fly all the time (why?) then an emulator might be a good choice. If you are looking to have a car tuned by someone, then they should already have an emulator that will work with your ecu once it is chipped.
If you want to learn about the subject, then I suggest going to http://mycomputerninja.com/~jon/www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view/Library/WebHome.html and reading everything in every section.
Then, to answer further questions, you can go to http://forum.pgmfi.org and ask questions and read threads from other people. you can also post in this forum on H-t and/or pm people, me included, with questions.
to summarize, to get started tuning yourself, all you need are these things:
a wideband o2 meter of any sort.. aem, innovate, plx, build your own
a rom burner ebay type or moates.net type
a chip kit: assemble one from scratch or moates.net
instructions on how to chip an ecu with pictures
datalogging hardware build your own or moates.net
obd1 tuning software free crome or the others...
basemaps to start with
You can buy a willem brand rom burner on ebay for around $30, or moates.net sells an easier to use rom burner for $80.
An emulator is not strictly needed for a beginning ecu tuner. The purpose of an emulator is to cut down on the time to switch out eeproms when you are tuning a car. They obviously make life a lot easier, but they also make it more expensive. A rom burner is all you need to start. you make modifications to the binary, then burn it to an electronically erased eeprom, and put the new chip in place of the old, or just keep reburning the same chip until you get the tune right.
strictly speaking, You don't need to buy an emulator. If you want to get in to tuning more than just your car, or want to be able to modify your car on the fly all the time (why?) then an emulator might be a good choice. If you are looking to have a car tuned by someone, then they should already have an emulator that will work with your ecu once it is chipped.
If you want to learn about the subject, then I suggest going to http://mycomputerninja.com/~jon/www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view/Library/WebHome.html and reading everything in every section.
Then, to answer further questions, you can go to http://forum.pgmfi.org and ask questions and read threads from other people. you can also post in this forum on H-t and/or pm people, me included, with questions.
to summarize, to get started tuning yourself, all you need are these things:
a wideband o2 meter of any sort.. aem, innovate, plx, build your own
a rom burner ebay type or moates.net type
a chip kit: assemble one from scratch or moates.net
instructions on how to chip an ecu with pictures
datalogging hardware build your own or moates.net
obd1 tuning software free crome or the others...
basemaps to start with
Last edited by sanimalp; Aug 27, 2009 at 09:45 PM.
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Re: tuning with crome
i have chip burner and ecu already chip, i been working on few crome map and running on my car already. it was very easy to use. its not i don't want to spend the money to get hondata. i want to use crome and tune myself. if shops out there can do hondata. i can do it. just take time and few screw up to learn. i don't have crome pro yet so i don't know much about other function yet.
and i do think what he saying is true, but thats why hondata is so much expensive, more demand. but i have seen few ppl running 500plus whp honda that using crome and if they trust it with large amount investment. i don't think crome is a bad choice. thats why i choose to use crome. i do have a hondata s100, but i end up use crome becuz i just want to do it different.
anyway i just thought the ostrich is for RTP which i don't need right now. just data logging what i looking for.
but thanks for posting back, thats the info i need.
and i do think what he saying is true, but thats why hondata is so much expensive, more demand. but i have seen few ppl running 500plus whp honda that using crome and if they trust it with large amount investment. i don't think crome is a bad choice. thats why i choose to use crome. i do have a hondata s100, but i end up use crome becuz i just want to do it different.
anyway i just thought the ostrich is for RTP which i don't need right now. just data logging what i looking for.
but thanks for posting back, thats the info i need.
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