I have an '01 Insight and I am looking for swap options other than K series. K-Pro is available for the 01-05 Civic D17 and if thats the case, could I use it on a B20? or L15 even? I am assuming mods would be necessary. Rules I need to follow is engine block newer than car and a working OBD2 port for emissions.

 

K series would be your best bet for power and money spent. An L15 would undoubtedly be supported soon by Hondata if not already so if you have the finances to go that route it may not be bad. I would advise against a D17 as the aftermarket support is limited as is the power potential. Which B20 are you thinking of? Like CRV B20? They're fairly old engines, but Hondata does support tuning B series, but only by switching to OBD 1 and using the S300 hardware/Smanager software. So essentially, D17 isn't worth the money, B20/Bseries in general doesn't fit your requirements. So your left with K series or L15 if you have deep pockets. Another oddball alternative would be the S2000 F20/22 engines. K Pro does support those in OBD2 format and they can be run in fwd configuration or rwd depending on the transmission you run. This would not be as cheap as a K series but cheaper than a turbo L15 setup. Not sure why you are against the K as that is the best bang for your buck in a Fit or Insight. Depending on the year of your car, grab a K24a2 from a TSX, KPro, swap kit and go to work. You'll end up with an easy 250whp and 190-200wtq with just a basic swap header/exhaust/intake and Kpro. If you go aftermarket cams/valvetrain, maybe even a K20 head with or without port work and a better (I.e more expensive) header and you can make nearly 300whp and over 200wtq on a stock TSX bottom end. This would also stay OBD2 compatible and a proper tuner can setup a emissions/inspection tune seperate from the performance tune so you don't have any worries. K series are great engines, don't mean to rant but they're definitely stout performers. Whichever route you go, good luck and post some pics of the build!

 

I am working on an L15 swap (#1) currently and will be using flash pro, wiring is intense considering the donor car (08 Fit) is such a simple one. For this (#2) swap the two things Im researching are an AWD drivetrain and this (https://www.hondata.com/index.php?_r...njector-driver). 200HP is about what Im looking for as well as it not being a K (just put 250K miles on a K24a2 swap so ready for something new).... I have looked into L15 to K trans adapters so I guess I do have a high dollar to HP budget. There is also a 2005 D15 imported motor that is cheap and Kpro easy but the trans/drivetrain are where the budget can break with adapters and what not. A B20 will also pass should I have an inspection as engine can't be older than car.

Keep in mind the K does make sense and in the end will fall back on the idea of a K swap if its impractical

 

found this https://honda-tech.com/forums/engine...-kpro-3273141/

 

If the car is a 2008 Fit and the engine can't be older than the car that rules out any B series including the B20 as far as i know. To my knowledge the last B20s were early 2000s, maybe 00-01 area, so that wouldn't fit your bill. Same as the D15, I haven't seen any "newer" production D15s, Definitely not an 08 model so I don't see that fitting your needs. Going from a K24a2 to any of the engines were speaking of here is going to be a dramatic decrease in power though. Going to a stock Fit L15 or a D17 (the only D series you might find from 2008) is going to drop a solid 100 HP and 60-70 TQ stock for stock, with the added caveat that none of the other engines respond anywhere near as well to modification as the K series. So where a simple header + tune can get you 30HP on a K series, you'll be lucky to see 10-15 HP gains on a D17 or L15. Add this to the fact that your starting with much less than a K24a2 to begin with and your going in a backwards direction with your build. Not trying to bust *****, just making sure you understand the very large power difference between the engines. Your only saving grace to get some power out of an L15 or D17 would be boost. A decent turbo kit could have a bone stock D/L producing stock K24 type power with a good tune. The down side to this is cost, as it will not be cheap at all. The highest HP L15 turbo I've ever tuned in a Fit made 266whp. The owner had a solid $7000 into the setup for that power. We've also tuned a couple EM2 Civics (D17 powered) that were turbo-typical output seems to be 230-250 wheel Hp, again with atleast 4-5 thousand dollars being spent to make them reliable. A bone stock k24a2 breathing through the stock intake and exhaust and on the stock Ecu program make about 175-185whp depending on the dyno and conditions. With a simple intake/header/Kpro tune setup they put down 220-230 at the wheels typically. Some have been able to break 250 HP with a K20 head swap keeping the K24a2 cams. The typical cost for these builds is less than half of the turbo setups I mentioned above despite making a much more useable power curve to boot. This is why unfortunately you don't really see many people going the D17/L15 route.

 

Also, what is the reasoning for the injector driver? Normally I see them used for dual fuel feeds, flex fuel setups etc but at such a modest power goal, stock fuel system is all you need.

 

Im confusing you a bit....

The car in question is in the planning stages, 2001 Insight, goals are 33" tires, AWD, CNG and E85. (No, Im not high), lso not 100% sure if I want to commit $50K or $10K Also looking at mid engine 2WD..... Cheapest way to do it is to use 2001 CRV from oil cap to tires, auto trans, stock ECU (boring though).... I may also save the bi fuel for another car but I really want one and want to make this work. OBD2 is a must..... The D15 would be iffy because it is imported, but D17 Kpro would line right up and D17 itself would be great if it weren't for the AWD part. D17 Mid engine would be easy and 200HP would be too. Looking at D series AWD Inegra Xsi boxes for 250.... but every engine has its pitfalls, K series being weight and money.

I also have a 2002 Insight that is almost done. The engine/trans is out of 2008 Fit Sport. Im turbocharging and using Garrett GT25R for 6 PSI. car will be quick with 150 whp and a great commuter. https://honda-tech.com/forums/insigh...muter-3290050/