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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:41 PM
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Enough until you get there.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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you make no sence.

i feel a quote comming...

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being here since 06 means a few things but nothing related to a question i have no experience with or do i know anything about. i can read quite well thank you, i was looking for a quick and precise response. not a vague one that will lead into a meaningless convo.
your answer = vague,indefinite, useless.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:58 PM
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Bash it with a rock. it will fix it.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:26 PM
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you make no sence.

i feel a quote comming...



your answer = vague,indefinite, useless.
Wow. Good luck bud.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:53 PM
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ignored.

what is acceptable increments to increase fuel for my z6 going from a stock lift to a 480 lift cam until i get to 14.7 afr
cool story bro
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 02:48 AM
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you make no sence.

i feel a quote comming...



your answer = vague,indefinite, useless.
Your questions and lack of willingness to learn anything on your own=stupid.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 03:24 AM
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Hm i think everyone willing to answer your question if you humble and got right communication skill when asking for other help and solution.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 07:16 AM
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when i get the same answer that is vague, and lacking in every way, that is the responce you get.

So wht all of you are agreeing is that i can dump 50% more fuel at one between one tune and another and it is safe?
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 07:32 AM
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Your questions and lack of willingness to learn anything on your own=stupid.
And for your lack of understanding, when i ask, what are the safe limitations for adding fuel. not one person can give me an answer. no one contradicts it. no one can give any insight on it. how else do you approach this?

i gave you specific parameters of engine and upgrades. gave you what will be changed. did not ask "what number do i need to punch in to make it perfect". the exact question i asked

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what is acceptable increments to increase fuel for my z6 going from a stock lift to a 480 lift cam until i get to 14.7 afr
and again


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when adjusting for a bigger cam, how much is acceptable to ad or remove at one time? 1% up or down is what i have read. is this acceptable.

yet again, what is safe increments. what percentages are commonly used up or down when adjusting fuel? what percentage is SAFE to ad at one time?
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 08:15 AM
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And for your lack of understanding, when i ask, what are the safe limitations for adding fuel. not one person can give me an answer. no one contradicts it. no one can give any insight on it. how else do you approach this?

i gave you specific parameters of engine and upgrades. gave you what will be changed. did not ask "what number do i need to punch in to make it perfect". the exact question i asked



and again





yet again, what is safe increments. what percentages are commonly used up or down when adjusting fuel? what percentage is SAFE to ad at one time?
are you just an idiot or what?

Crome has a tool on there to make a base map for a particular size engine. It changes the whole fuel multiplier based on engine displacement and even a difference in fuel pressure and injector size. You would learn this if you would pull your head out of your *** and read some of the material we have suggested for you. You would also learn what AFR's are desirable when tuning.

You seem like a troll, so I will treat you as such on your thread.

cool story bro, tell it again
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 08:35 AM
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EGT Inputs (for fuel control)

can this be explained why you would need exhaust gas temp for tuning?
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 08:36 AM
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are you just an idiot or what?

Crome has a tool on there to make a base map for a particular size engine. It changes the whole fuel multiplier based on engine displacement and even a difference in fuel pressure and injector size. You would learn this if you would pull your head out of your *** and read some of the material we have suggested for you. You would also learn what AFR's are desirable when tuning.

You seem like a troll, so I will treat you as such on your thread.

cool story bro, tell it again
questions still not answered. what about a bigger cam?
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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when adjusting for a bigger cam, how much is acceptable to ad or remove at one time? 1% up or down is what i have read. is this acceptable.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:11 AM
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questions still not answered. what about a bigger cam?
increase the fuel by whatever percentage of HP you think you will gain and start from there. damnit man this isn't rocket science, use your brain and think a little bit. if you can't figure out the small stuff like this, you need to learn how to use some critical thinking skills to figure it out before moving on to more complicated things.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by xero_xero
when adjusting for a bigger cam, how much is acceptable to ad or remove at one time? 1% up or down is what i have read. is this acceptable.
I don't know why you can't get it through your head that it depends. I don't sit there and calculate % fuel values. I get in my car with my laptop, look at the wideband, and then add or remove fuel as I see fit. There is no magical formula or rule.

Your attitude of "feed me information" while not really wanting to go look for it yourself (you're asking really basic questions that have been answered thousands of times before) is going to be your demise.

Read this thread to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about: http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=7738

Additionally, there are some good books in there that you might want to buy and read.

It's imperative that you understand why you're making changes. If I give you a procedure on how to tune a car and you follow that every time without understanding why you're doing it then you're useless as a tuner.

Many of us have invested several thousand dollars in dyno time and tuning classes to get where we are today. I suggest you do the same.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:27 AM
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I hope you blow your motor!
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:41 AM
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I hope you blow your motor!
your funny. thats what im avoiding. I do here by award you the Douche award.



dont post threads to pgmfi.org

im not going to bother with the link.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:42 AM
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I don't know why you can't get it through your head that it depends. I don't sit there and calculate % fuel values. I get in my car with my laptop, look at the wideband, and then add or remove fuel as I see fit. There is no magical formula or rule.

Your attitude of "feed me information" while not really wanting to go look for it yourself (you're asking really basic questions that have been answered thousands of times before) is going to be your demise.

Read this thread to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about: http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=7738

Additionally, there are some good books in there that you might want to buy and read.

It's imperative that you understand why you're making changes. If I give you a procedure on how to tune a car and you follow that every time without understanding why you're doing it then you're useless as a tuner.

Many of us have invested several thousand dollars in dyno time and tuning classes to get where we are today. I suggest you do the same.
thankyou. do you have the titles to these books. i have dumped 1200 in tuning an ls turbo thats still not right. thats why im trying to learn.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:44 AM
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thankyou. do you have the titles to these books. i have dumped 1200 in tuning an ls turbo thats still not right. thats why im trying to learn.
They are in the PMGFI thread I linked to. I am not going to go copy paste it for you.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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sell your car and buy a vette. problem solved
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 10:11 AM
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had my share of american muscle.

pgmfi is not open to view by the public PER hondata. they have had the stop on it for the great number of years they have owned it. its to control if their software is ever leaked again.

This is the number one reason i dont support them.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by xero_xero
had my share of american muscle.

pgmfi is not open to view by the public PER hondata. they have had the stop on it for the great number of years they have owned it. its to control if their software is ever leaked again.

This is the number one reason i dont support them.
I can view pgmfi just fine.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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Jesus F*cking ****! How pathetic can a single person be?

A quick search would have led you to this formula.
(Current A/F - Target A/F) / (Current A/F) = % Change in fuel


There is no absolute way to know how much to add/subtract from a certain value without first knowing your current afr. Not with Crome. You can with other EMS where the values you see actually represent a VE table.
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 11:02 AM
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When did you have to pay to view pgmfi?
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Old Jul 31, 2011 | 11:45 AM
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When did you have to pay to view pgmfi?
you have to be a part of the forum. it was this way back in the early 90s. they made you answer questions just to get accepted or to receive a username or password.
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