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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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you seem not to have the available knowledge to answer. hopefully someone will.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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as far as pgmfi.org goes its ownership resides in Hondata. not a big fan of that.
What? PGM-FI.org is all about free/100% DIY tuning. All of your questions have already been answered there.

But if you want to make a repository of that information in this thread, I'm sure it would be useful to people.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 11:27 PM
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What? PGM-FI.org is all about free/100% DIY tuning.
You must be new.
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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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yet again, if you cant answer my questions i will simply ignore you. thoes search tricks have been around since google started. as far as pgmfi.org goes its ownership resides in Hondata. not a big fan of that.

As far as Air fuel ratio goes, what should the range be for full throttle acceleration on na and turbo cars? how important is the curve that concerns voltage. what is the best way to deal with this curve.
Whether you tune with Hondata, Neptune or Crome. It's all the same process. Your questions are very basic questions. People pay to take tuning classes, so don't expect anyone to spoon feed you. I highly recommend you take the EFI 101 course like Chris recommended if you really want to tune.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 12:16 AM
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Yeah agreed with mouab18c1, just try and error, try to adjust vtec, rev limiter, speed cut, also fuel adjust to 1% increase or decrease that look what happen to your engine, lean your spark plug white, rich your it will be black and black smoke go out your exhaust.

Try to google up how to use, read wideband 02, which point is too lean, lean, rich, to rech and max power is. The key is try first, then if any problem after trying then ask in forum, i'm sure if you asked tune crome from beginning there a lot of page and forum write about this

http://www.moates.net/zips/crome/Tun...ME%20v1.03.pdf
http://www.xenocron.com/install/CromeGuide.htm

also pgmfi.org
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 04:59 AM
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PGmfi was started in the early 90s. it had lots of useful mods. unfortunately hondatas code was leaked and downloaded from pgmfi. PGMFi couldnt afford to pay for licensing to each download, so ownership was handed to Hondata.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 05:04 AM
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Everyone says what i have a are basic questions. and i have yet to hear any inkling of an answer.

I understand the precision of a wideband is necessary.


Originally Posted by majdi
Yeah agreed with mouab18c1, just try and error, try to adjust vtec, rev limiter, speed cut, also fuel adjust to 1% increase or decrease that look what happen to your engine, lean your spark plug white, rich your it will be black and black smoke go out your exhaust.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 05:09 AM
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Everywhere i see basemaps, i see that they are general calculations based on injetor size, map type, and a good many other perameters. are there a list of formulas that are needed to figure this out? i understand these are generall maps, just to get you to the tuner.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 05:10 AM
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You must be new.
can you explain, to the best of your understanding, about Pgmfi.org?

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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 05:40 AM
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The actual PGM-FI system or the website?

The PGM-FI system in Honda vehicles is basically the same. However, it does have variants from chassis to chassis. Basically it is the brain of the car.



If you buy/download the Honda shop manual for the vehicle you are working on it will have a description of the PGM-FI system for that car. The description breaks it down into what the sensors do and how the ECU reacts to them. These descriptions do not go as far as showing you the algorithms though.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 05:51 AM
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The actual PGM-FI system or the website?

The PGM-FI system in Honda vehicles is basically the same. However, it does have variants from chassis to chassis. Basically it is the brain of the car.



If you buy/download the Honda shop manual for the vehicle you are working on it will have a description of the PGM-FI system for that car. The description breaks it down into what the sensors do and how the ECU reacts to them. These descriptions do not go as far as showing you the algorithms though.
the website, sorry. should have put the .org on there.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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Hondata has rights to pgmfi.org, it has since been basically abandoned since the lawsuit was "settled". I lurk every once in a while, but you won't ever see new development there again.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:10 AM
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You must be new.
Don't be a jerk, d112. And FWIW I don't claim to be an expert on these cars, and I'm new to tuning, but I've been working on and slowly learning about Hondas for 12 years.

I didn't know about the history of PGMFI, but from my experience it's still a great place to get answers to the types of questions OP is asking.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:22 AM
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I, as well as other shops i deal with, avoid the forum because of its standing and history.

i can handle the wiring and mechanical. but i want to do more, i ordered a cam to replace the oem. i have milled b7 pistons. z6 block and head. knife edged crank, pistons are milled for 510 lift.

i want the ability to make it run to its potential. Crome is the most available. so i choose focusing on this specific software. i am completely new to tuning.

I am a How and why person. ill be hosting some images shortly with specific questions.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:46 AM
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What does it matter where you get your answers as long as you get them?
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:51 AM
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Your not going to swap me over to pgmfi, sorry.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:55 AM
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It's not my loss.

But why should people answer your questions when they've been answered here, there and elsewhere for a decade, and you won't search the most complete archive of Honda tuning information because they had legal troubles five years ago?
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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Your not going to swap me over to pgmfi, sorry.
You would of had your answers by now if you weren't so stubborn. LOL pgmfi has more info than H-T will ever.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:25 AM
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No thankyou.

when adjusting for a bigger cam, how much is acceptable to ad or remove at one time? 1% up or down is what i have read. is this acceptable.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:32 AM
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It just depends on your motor.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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what would the variation be for a1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 3.0, 3.2, 3.5?
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:47 AM
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Like I said, it varies. Once you do some reading you will understand. Every setup is different.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 11:16 AM
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xero_xero
what would the variation be for a1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 3.0, 3.2, 3.5?

Get yourself a wideband, start up your car and adjust values up or down until you afr is where you want it to be. That's the basics of tuning. There's other websites besides pgmfi that you can read for tons of info, you just gotta search. No ones gonna spoon feed you.
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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by d112crzy
No ones gonna spoon feed you.
ignored.

what is acceptable increments to increase fuel for my z6 going from a stock lift to a 480 lift cam until i get to 14.7 afr
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