Hi.
I have checked the crome website and read the instruction.
There are some links given to buy the cables for dataloging and realtime map tuning.
But on the website they are not longer available.
Do You have an other shop that offers those cables?

 

Was going to suggest Moates.net but they have officially closed up shop as of the end of November.

This (or any 5V FTDI cable) will do for your datalogging: FTDI Cable 5V - DEV-09718 - SparkFun Electronics

Without knowing what other hardware you have, don't know what else you might need. Maybe contact Burton Racing too: ECU Services & Parts – Burton-Racing

 

I meant the datalog cable and for realtime programming (I think it was burn 1 or something like that)

 

Burn1/Burn2 are chip burners. Not for real time programming at all.

So, you don’t already have any hardware? Get a Demon board, or one of the other ones that are around these days. Don’t waste your time messing around with chips and fistfuls of cables and emulators to make an easy job hard.

 

Thanks for info. The problem is I want to start tunning with crome and learn it from zero on my own car. I have a civic with d13z6 engine and modified P28 ecu. The map tunning with crome as far as i know can be done with a chip burner - You datalog the actual parameters, take the chip out, tune the map, and put the chip back to ECU. Or as far i could read you can do realtime map tunning with with the equimpent mentioned in the crome manual. And this is what I am looking for.
I dont really know what hardware else You mean.
I thougt it is an laptop with crome, cable for datalogging and this realtime tuning tool.
Sorry for beeing totally amateur in this case, like I said - just starting.
I have knowledge about mechanic and map tuning in overall, for example i tune LPG ECU'S but in case of chrome i need really help

And I hope my english is more or less ok - I'm from Poland

 

First of all... tuning.

There's really no value in learning to do by chip. Focus on learning to read datalogs and make changes in realtime. What you describe above is not 'realtime tuning'. Using chips and doing the work asynchronously, as you described above, really adds zero value to the process but does make it incredibly inefficient, It also doesn't really save you any money unless you are scraping together your kit from people's old unwanted electronics bins.

If you were to decide to do this for money, you would 100% still use a realtime device and ,if you had a customer that required a chip, then burn the final calibration to that chip. At htat point it takes 5 minutes to figure out how to burn the cal to a chip. There's really nothing to learn. It wouldn't be worth your time otherwise.

Moates made all of the hardware you described above. They are now no longer in business. I imagine that means that the Burn2, Ostrich, etc, are all done for except for used examples. That means that there is no more software support either, unless someone decides to pick that up at the third-party level. I do not know what this means for the Demon/Demon II boards that NepTune/HTS use. Maybe Moates is continuing to make these privately for HRTuning? Maybe this leaves us with only thew Snake EMU and CobraRTP?

Here's some links:

CobraRTP Honda Edition - CobraRTP
SNAKE Tuning Solutions
NepTune RTP – Welcome to HRTuning

CROME itself is riddled with issues and lack of support. It was really only worthwhile when it was the only 'budget' option, but it's not now. That being said, any of those boards can run CROME if you really want to.

NepTune is a great product with good support, I think @HRTuning is still around here. Honda Tuning Suite is a more open-source project that evolved out of eCtune. I have not used it in-situ but it seems as well put together as any and has some great features for these primitive ecus. It's also constantly adding features, which is cool as the other OBD1 based platforms have really chilled on development over the last few years.

 

spAdam - thanks a lot!!
I thought the crome is the only software to tune a chipped P28 ECU.
Now i have something to read, learn and buy
You helped me a lot. I dont know if I will do it for money but I am rally enthusiast and mechanic. So my first target is to learn it and to tune my honda and hondas of my friends if needed

 

No problem! Yeah, if you're a racer you don't have so much time to be screwing around with chip burners and constantly taking apart your ecu to make a cal change. You need a realtime device.

Also look at Hondata S300. Marginally more expensive, better support, more features, still P28 based. Beyond that you'll be looking at a proper 'standalone' ecu - Link, Haltech, etc.

 

Hello spAdam.
At start wish You all the best in new Year!
And just for info, I started to read more about Neptune etc. and like it often comes in life, the direction changed.
I got a great offer from my friends and have bought a good Standalone (Ecumastec EMU Black) with good support in Poland

 

Very nice! Going with a proper ecu is always the best option, if you’re able to.