There are slower k-series cars too that are just starting out racing. What about them getting discouraged from racing because they have to weigh so much. that hurts the sport too right?

I cant tell you the last time someone has come to my shop to build an h or b series all motor drag car. Its dead.
Its all about the k. Look at the shootout. Like jake said, there was all k and one H.

that is my $0.00001, even though it doesnt matter. haha

 

there is more to it than dedication. money,time and parts availability all play a roll. i mean im dedicated as hell but have had notthing but bad luck, i still dont give up though... i dont think this class shold limmit people from going faster. i just think if they should run the times in a car that fits the boti rules or at least close to it and not in a cut up death trap. this is my opinion and im sure some will disagree.

 

But randy the only point I am trying to make, is that some people dont like to jsut step up for no reason. Yes you are right, not everyone needs to jump into pro and be the best right away, but you will still need to have the chassis done, body work, etc. . .
Convincing people just to hop into a pro class to be the slowest car is going to work as well as trying to get people with B series to come out and race at events with us currently.

Unfortunately we are at a stalemate.

And truth be told thats where we are going to stay. There is no "decision maker". There is no "national sanction."
We really cant speculate , until there is.

We all have very valid points, but we will arguing until we are blue in the face because there is no decision to be made by any of us.
Think about it, we cant get all the individual event organizers to agree on all the same rules. They are stuck in their ways, just as much as we all are. Certain rules work for some people.

Are weight limits the answer to making it far across the board ? Yes .
Will there ever be a concentric answer until we have a national series? No.

We will all sit here and argue until there are 50 pages. What did we accomplish? Nothing except making us look even worse. Like I said, we all have valid points and we will all have to agree to disagree.

It is going to come down to the individual event organizers or the racers that sign up for the future shootouts to decide. . . . Unfortuantely for right now. It is what it is, so why argue amongst ourselves about it

 

1- I'm all for having a tight field, that's what make racing exciting, but that shouldn't mean restricting the class to a time range, if people have the knowledge, resources and ability to go faster within the rules more power to them, they shouldn't have to step up to pro because other people can't figure it out.

2 - When I said dedicated, I wasn't just refering to Tim, there are alot of other racers out there that are just as dedicated and have motivation to go faster.

3 - Family is the FIRST priority and always will be in the TGR team, it just happens that we know how to manage both and are supported by our family in what we do.

 

i agree with you too on that note.... Ijust think some of the cars that are running the insane numbers are taking their cars a little to the extreme side of what is so called a "street class car" but i guess like jake said if we all can agree on a weight and structure then i'm all for it

 

hahaha you are absolutely right Jake


we all like to argue over things we have no controll over lol


even if 100% of us racers agreed one way or the other it still wouldnt matter because in the end its not up to us....

 

so let me ask you this:

if people are allowed to keep going faster and faster every year in a street class, at what point will the street allmotor class become out of control?

and what will happen then?

 

My Opinion for next shootout i would make the trip if weight out like this

EG/DC with K- 2100 lbs
EG/DC with H-2000 lbs
EG/DC with B-1950 lbs

EF with k - 2000lbs
EF with H 1900lbs
EF with B 1850lbs


that would Rock

 

ill let him answer that one

 

I don't think it would ever come to the point that it would be out of control, if there are rules in place people would only be allowed to go as fast as they can within the rules, it wouldn't be any different then it is now. As more R&D is done cars will keep getting faster, even those racers that are just starting out, so it's not like you'll see the street classs running 9s anytime soon. You should know that it takes a lot for an allmotor car to pick up HP, it's not like you can just turn up the boost.

 

^ I would buy a crx

Marc P

 

You sure about that i've heard someone talking about it and i think it can happen with the right motor combo and transmission i could see it getting very close to that..

 

i would stay with the EG if you can cut the weight... you must be huge dude...

 

well there are rules in place at MIR for this reason and you can go as fast as you like inside of those rules, just like you said.

so will we see TGR there or what?

 

i agree

believe what you want, we will see sub 10.5xs next season and possibly closer to very low 10s.

then its only a matter of time before some one lays down a 9.99

 

I'm pretty sure of that, right now the fastest is 10.56 and only one person has come close to going that fast this year, it would be a pretty far jump for someone to come out and run 9's in my opinion.

 

and whats up w/ you Marc, you coming to WCF or what?

 

This isn't the WCF roll call thread, if people wanted to be on the roll call list i'm sure they would have posted in that thread.

 

and hurts parts, I hate to see car get weight added to them to make them slower, but I also think some of the current cars are a complete mockery of what a "street car" is. Half of them are only a wheelie bar away from be a pro chassis. Pretty much don't like making people add weight, and don't like cut up hacked up chassis either.

 

exactly...if feel the same way

 

my thing is that a weight restriction is only going to due so much to keep it close. Technology is making parts to cause motors to have more power and and faster times. Sooner or later your going to have K's do 375 or 400 hp. how much weight will you add then. there is only so far you can take it

 

The two different All Motor classes have been working for www.ImportFaceOff.net

All Motor Pro = n/a 4/6 cyl or rotary oem frame, open exhaust OK, slicks OK for FWD only, no interior restrictions.

All Motor Sport = n/a 4/6 cyl or rotary oem frame, exhaust/full interior/current tags reqd, no lexan, no cut body panels.

 

Ok I don’t think weights by chassis is the the correct thing to do either.

The crx is in the same boat as every other chassis. What I mean by that is , we will all start pushing the limits of our chassis sooner or later. Just because the crx doesn’t short track well doesn’t make it a bad choice. I have a print out of all the passes made at the shootout. I am not going to put Norris or Loan out there by disclosing numbers, but even he will say that her car short tracks terribly. And as we all know she has an eg. Even though her short track is not the greatest, she is arguably the fastest car in the country. If she can run the numbers she does with a less than stellar short track then there is no reason a Crx cant.

We will all have to adapt to the power we will soon be making. Maybe eventually we will all outgrow the chassis like the turbo guys did. Maybe we will all eventually need a Motec and traction control in order to put the power down. I mean some of us already have $5000+ transmissions so how would that be any different? So maybe eventually we will need 2 all motor classes. Just like the turbo guys. . .
There are only 4 cars that have run 8s in turbo but that isnt stopping more and more turbo set ups coming out. Hell , the regular sfwd class behind the outlaw guys are more filled than ever. It isnt hurting them, so why would it hurt us ? Again this is all theory.

So just for ***** and giggles lets make a list of how many people in our classes have ever gone 10.80s – regardless of rules.
Tim, Loan, DNR, Southgate, Scotty, Fisher, Stage2, Tubaso, MarcP, Tony (efi2nr), Speedfactory, Reis . . . .
Now lets count how many cars have hit 130mph – Loan, Fisher, DNR.
I’d say the crx is holding its own pretty well in there. Not to mention that JL went 10.50s @ 130+ in a stock wheelbase crx. Yes it had bars in the front, but it still has factory shock towers front and rear.

Just more of my opinion haha

 

i hate you Jake ... but i swear if there is anyone out there with a k crx in low 11's lets print out the average sixty foot and you will see it is alway a .10 slower than any EG so i calculate that to be about 100lbs difference

SSR DEFENDERS OF THE DYING CRX!!!!!

 

I think Loan issue has nothing to do with wheel base anymore i think she may just be overpowering the car....maybe im wrong last i remember her motor don't sound like 99 stroke

SSR DEFENDERS OF THE DYING CRX!!!!!