Have you ever even ran a shock potentiometer on a SFWD car to see how much the rear shock moves with a heavy drag spring? You might be surprised...

 

Nope, but I don't see how that is relevant to my post lol

 

..Have you? If so, what chassis was it done on?, what suspension/spring rate was used?, and what was the outcome on the data?

 

I'm curious as well.

 

back in the late 90's i ran an 87 integra with solid rear axle and panhard bar, made some inserts/sleeves to make the rear end almost solid (tire was about the only suspension lol) as soon as we made a few runs we realized the front tires were lifting, and unloading really bad, so we strapped it down...then it started breaking things diffs/axles/trans/mounts. you name it we broke it. we really chased our tails with that car, but it was a junkyard special car that we were trying to make fast for free, learned a lot from it though lol.

 

With all of your talk of shock valving, rebound, how the car react on the launch, I was hoping you had collected some real word data, not conjecture.

No two cars are the same, way too many variables, so data is worthless outside of that specific vehicle.

 

..Yes, we all know that no 2 cars are the same. But, you mentioned a SFWD car, and if thats the case then a civic with Omni drag suspension or an integra with any drag struts and 1000lbs. springs it won't vary that much, unless you got some super duper custom suspension setup. not to mention the fact of min. weight for the class.
..So, im still interested to know the data that you say you got. Is this your SFWD car?

 

I come to my conclusions based on what has been taught to myself, and from my experience studying other peoples data and my own learning from my own car. I think that's some real world data, and it's certainly more legit than you calling me out then saying your data is pointless since it's vehicle specific.

Sure the data is from a certain vehicle, but the trends you see are directly relative to all types of FWD cars with that general setup (like a SFWD car) so long as it's not an absolute crap setup.

 

Trends? Conclusions? Theories? is not data, data is a specific measurement. Data comes before everything you listed.

Also none of these cars are the same, none have them have the same weight bias F/R and L/R, shock settings, driver/shifting technique, wheel base, or launch settings. All of which will have a different effect on suspension data. All because allot of these car share similar suspension parts doesn't mean they will all react the same.

 

Well quit talking about it and show us something.

 

You're crazy lol

If one market in sales is doing one thing, then changes something and fails you won't see another similar market trying the same thing now would you?

You CAN see trends and setup info based off one similar car to another, you can' go make an adjustment off another car as you should know, but you can use a softer spring vs. a stiffer spring, or less rebound instead of more etc.

 

..Yes, no 2 cars are the same. So, until i see some data/numbers/real info i call BS.
..You don't have tell us everything, but something. What chassis was this testing done on? was there back to back testing on different suspension setups? what size tire? Is this your SFWD car? were you driving? What EMS are you using?
So, surprise everyone. Please

 

I'm considering trying the Skunk2 "drag launch" sleeve-style coilover kit.

It has 1000lb rear springs. I'm thinking of using them on my stock shocks/struts which are in pretty good shape.

What do you guys think? LOL

 

Thats the exact setup I used on my sedan for the last 2 years.

 

So how did it go? LOL

I'm assuming good since it's been on there for 2 years.

Factory or stock replacement shocks/struts?

 

Factory old *** shocks.... lol. Going with a new setup for next season just not sure which way I will go yet..

 

How much did you pick up with these coilovers? Did you slam the ride height or just a little lower than stock?

Overall, would you say they're still under par such that you think there's a lot to be gained by going to a different suspension combo?

Oh, also which camber correction kits did you use for front and rear?

 

If you look at my album in my profile you can see how low it sits..

 

I pm'd ya too, but I would stay away from those springs on a stock shock. It's just not a proper match, at least do yourself the favor and get a nice adjustable stock configuration shock if you decide to go with these.

 

i could be wrong, but i remember when the l'natural crx was featured back in the day in a mag... had the blue r/h's on it and the orange, blue flames.. looked like it had a solid back suspension

 

I've been running my skunk2 rear drag springs since '03 I think. They work just fine. Takes a lil gettin used to. I will say having a good adjustable STRUT makes it ride a lil better. I'm also still on the same Tokico 5way's as well.

I have a 90, 93, and 97 civic and none of them have "shocks". They all have "STRUTS". My Odyssey has rear shocks though

 

http://www.importtuner.com/features/.../photo_12.html

 

Hockey Pucks in the rear springs.

 

Since it's being discussed here, what are some of you against this idea thinking or have found in your set up's you like or would suggest?

This is what I think on a suspension set up on a FWD car with no wheelie bars. A medium spring rate in the front with a soft to very soft bound in the shock with a super stiff rebound to keep the front end from coming up and transferring weight to the rear and "unloading" the front end. Then in the rear as stiff as possible to keep the weight transfer from "unloading" from the front to the rear. So a solid rear suspension (which per the rules is illegal) but in my thinking makes sense.

I know on a FWD car with a bar you’re trying to keep the front end down and the wheelie bar wheels as close to the ground as you can before the launch without them being preloaded. Having a solid rear suspension in a FWD car without bars to me seems like the same thing. Just not lengthen the wheel base considering riding the bars all the way down the track.

So what is it you guys are thinking or have found with your set ups that is making you think a solid rear suspension is a bad idea, less of course the fact that it just isn't legal?

 

As the other guys have said the reason that a solid rear suspension is not good is because it will put too much shock on the drive train. If the car has no movement on launch then it will just snap axles, trannys etc etc because there is no give in weight transfer, you would not be allowing nature to do its thing. naturally the weight would try to transfer to the rear and without allowing it something in the middle will compromise and fail, definately with the power cars are making now.Not saying that something would immediately break but the risk is not nearly worth the reward since there are many proven suspension setups out. Wheel hop was also mentioned and im sure the in cabin ride would be brutal too.

When comparing this to wheelie bars correct me if im wrong but people setup the bars to have a small amount of give and also some space between the wheels bar and the ground?