now that there the only show in town why not come west??? every one would of came to all your races in the west becase there is no were to race!!!! sorry claton just need to know you can put the banned thing back up.....you had it all right in your hands and you drop the ball well you got it half right

 

I think others may be scared to voice their opinion I see lots of views but no posts.

But just as you said people would support the races for NOPI just as they have for NHRA. Since it's a combined series.

NOPI shouldn't be looking at the fact that people did not support their 1 race in AZ for the west coast but should have used numbers from NHRA to get their swag for attendance numbers.

I don't buy the fact that Cali or any other West Coast tracks aren't open for their series. NHRA has raced Vegas and Pomona pretty much on the same dates every year.

Plenty of us are down to travel with in reason. Some of the races last year were schedule pretty close to other races so you kind of picked which one you wanted to run. NOPI did not have the prestige as NHRA so if their race was close to an NHRA event, some people would not take the chance of racing their car there for fear of possibly hurting the car.

From where I'm at AZ is 8hr
Dallas, TX is 22 hrs
Houston, TX is 24 hrs
Colorado, i think was 14
Utah is approx 16 or so.
Vegas 6hr
Pomona 3hr
Fontana 3hr
Palmdale 3hr
Sac 2hr
Famoso 1hr

Some of the races were/are 1 day events. Such as the race coming up DEC 16 in Texas. Not many are going to drive 2 days for a 1 day event. 1 day there and 1 day back.

I'm in the military and I traveled when I was stationed in Pensacola to several tracks in the area to race. Gulfport, MS...Montogmery, Al....Gainesville,FL.....
I still travel here to the races within our area.

Our Bay area guys are traveling quite a few hours to attend races also from the bay area you can add another 3 hours to the above travel times.

I guess the big question is how did everyone go from being unified with the SCDA when they were stepping up to voice our concerns as racers at SEMA, to the WEST needs to stop crying and pony up money to travel. Damn NOPI made it to Vegas for that.

I would think as racers we would all be saying, if the shoe was on the other foot, that is jacked up we need to try and get some races on the WEST or EAST.

IS it to late to add West Coast Races, if so why? Like I said in the other post I'm sure people would be willing to race Sonoma in Jan hell they are racing in Sac pretty much every weekend now. That's 2 1/2 hrs from me. Famoso is 1hr from me.

NOPI what do you need the WEST coast racers to do to help you out, that the NHRA could not?

Is the NHRA hiding their BLACK Book of all their contacts from you?

Help us to help you or whom ever is in charge of setting up events.

 

I raced in the very first Pomona NHRA race in 2001 with my crx. Before that, they had the street legal drags there 1-2 times a month in the mid-late 90's which I was a regular at with my various other street cars. I am very sad to think this will be the first year that I can not race or at least attend a sport compact race at Pomona in a decade Good luck to NOPI with this year. Can IDRC or Battle step up with a Pomona race???

 

I'm no expert on track schedules but it seems to me that if I owned a track and was booking events for next year, I'd book dates as soon as I could.

I believe none of us know when each track books "future races".

I would hope that the sucessful tracks have all next years and 09's races booked.

Please try and see the bigger picture here.

As I said in Clayton thread with the schedule, "it's a start" this is a basically new series that is trying to book next years dates in Nov.

We have no idea what went on during the past year in NHRA. We can speculate. Unless you were in the room when the "powers that be" at NHRA decided on next years schedule, we have no idea "who dropped the ball" or hammer as it might be.

Please try and put this a side and lets move on with our race cars and look forward to good weather on track days.

 

racing is gonna be great next year cant wait

 

Guys, who do you expect NOPI to listen to, Racers or Talkers? They have to go where the racers are, NOT where people say they may race IF their cars are done. The west coast has shown in the past 3-4 years they will not support a sport compact event. Why would NOPI lay out $100k+ for an event in Cali when you guys dont show up. Glenn said the west events had more east coast racers than west coast racers, thats just crazy but true.

There are a couple of you guys who would support it but unfortunately that is not enough for them haul the "Road Show" across the country. Sure there is alot of e-racer support on ht but thats about it. Hell, half the people bitching dont even have a running race car.

 

I think a lot of the reason why more East coast racers traveled West is because they only had to do so a couple times, or once in Nopi's case. Figure the travel costs for an east coast racer traveling the series vs. a west coast racer traveling the series. If you're trying to make the entire series, you'll go out of your way to make one really long race. You're not likely to go 30+ hours to every race. NOPI has always been east coast, what's shitty is that with this merger that didn't change. I guarantee you there will be a decline in racers this year...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpeedDreamz.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guys, who do you expect NOPI to listen to, Racers or Talkers? They have to go where the racers are, NOT where people say they may race IF their cars are done. The west coast has shown in the past 3-4 years they will not support a sport compact event. Why would NOPI lay out $100k+ for an event in Cali when you guys dont show up. Glenn said the west events had more east coast racers than west coast racers, thats just crazy but true.

There are a couple of you guys who would support it but unfortunately that is not enough for them haul the "Road Show" across the country. Sure there is alot of e-racer support on ht but thats about it. Hell, half the people bitching dont even have a running race car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you are missing the point. I think you are referring to the NOPI race in Arizona. BOTI, IDRC events seem to have great turnouts as well as NHRA event's. The one NOPI event that was kinda close didn't. Hell it was one event what about the rest of the races the West has Supported.

You can not use those numbers to get any type of idea of what Cali Racers support.

NOPI should have used the attendance numbers from the NHRA events to make a decision.

When you combine a company you shouldn't just say well we NOPI do well in this market but not well in this one so we will not market ourselves in that area.

If they were truly worried about the West market share then they could have taken over the NHRA venues market share. If NOPI is the only game in town then why wouldn't we race at there event's. West Coast NHRA events have had full fields.

But once again it shouldn't be a EAST vs WEST we all should hitting NOPI up with those guys needs races as well.

What happens if the other racing organizations step up this year take over where NOPI left off, 2 years from now NOPI decides they want to have West Coast Events, who should the West Coast Racers support? NOPI has never marketed themselves as they have on the East Coast.

I know I have lived on both coast for a while. I'm from North Carolina, I was stationed in Florida for 4 years and Cali for 10. We made the drive from FLorida to the Nopi shows in GA.

Just like in the case when ML Baseball was on strike, they have still not fully recovered from that because people found other things to do.


PS my race car is running it's in my garage waiting for a place to race it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think a lot of the reason why more East coast racers traveled West is because they only had to do so a couple times, or once in Nopi's case. Figure the travel costs for an east coast racer traveling the series vs. a west coast racer traveling the series. If you're trying to make the entire series, you'll go out of your way to make one really long race. You're not likely to go 30+ hours to every race. NOPI has always been east coast, what's shitty is that with this merger that didn't change. I guarantee you there will be a decline in racers this year...</TD></TR></TABLE>

how will there be a decline in racers this season? the east coast cars not going to show up to their local tracks to support the west coast guys? come on now....i don't care for the schedule anymore than anyone else, but if you want to race for points, you have to travel. closest track to me in the series is englishtown/atco and mir. and mir isn't a points race anyhow. even e-town and atco are 7+hours each way.

i find it VERY hard to beleive norwalk couldn't have made the schedule. the turn out is usually pretty damned good, and they have weekends open during the season every year.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think a lot of the reason why more East coast racers traveled West is because they only had to do so a couple times, or once in Nopi's case. Figure the travel costs for an east coast racer traveling the series vs. a west coast racer traveling the series. If you're trying to make the entire series, you'll go out of your way to make one really long race. You're not likely to go 30+ hours to every race. NOPI has always been east coast, what's shitty is that with this merger that didn't change. I guarantee you there will be a decline in racers this year...</TD></TR></TABLE>

My idea of west coast is from arizona to the west. I dont even consider Texas as east or west, kinda in the middle. But the cali racers didnt make it to Texas either. There will be a decline in racers naturally because there has been a trend that way for the last few years. Now that the cali guys are upset with NOPI, the will not drive to UT or CO to support the SC racing industry.

 

exactly,

Cort Won the Championship on the West Coast NHRA swing, and made it to One
Big event in Etown to compete with the Best East Coast racers.

NOPI already has Denver and Utah booked... so lets just wait and see what else we get. I'm 99% sure they are not going to end there schedule in August.

Like everyone has said before, If you are still building your car. Build it to the closest NHRA spec class your racing. Then there will be minor changes if it's NOPI's Guildlines.

If your car is already built and your just waiting for the rules and schedule before you finalize the last few bugs. Is it really going to take 3 months to do those bugs?? The first Nopi races are not till the End of March.

Rules and schedules have always been released after PRI, which is next week..

Lets just hope for some good racing and good turn out's this year. It is on our shoulders to get our customers and friends and rivals out to the track to. Yes Nopi is the promotor. But at the same time so are we. If we are the heart of the sport, lets keep it beating by doing everything we can to make sure everyone we know is watching, racing, enjoying....

.02


Danny

 

I'm not going to get into it, i stayed out of the last thread, might as well stay out of this one. Ya'll have fun this year!

 

I was in the office at Indy talking to the track manager about getting SC events every week for 5 years before anything happened. How many people walked into Pomona when Nopi asked for help and talked to the track manager...and how many times did you do it? I think they made it clear that they were trying to lock races down in the West and needed a hand, and they followed through on 2 of those. What a coincidence...the tracks they got were the ones where the racers got involved

 

Luke thanks for your support. I know we have gone round and round before on differant things, so it means alot.......

What alot of people don't seem to understand is that our events are 2 day events...
Alot of the tracks mentioned only have one day (sound days) openings. We can't do our events in one day. More power to those who can, I wish we could, it would be alot less wear and tear on everyone involved with the event......

Don't you like how us asking the teams or racers to get involved, or for input, and all of sudden we don't know how to look up tracks on the internet, or we lost our contact list from the previous years????
You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out the tracks that had racer support behind the scenes got a date.......

PS. I look forward to seeing that Insight on track in 2008......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> How many people walked into Pomona when Nopi asked for help and talked to the track manager...and how many times did you do it? I think they made it clear that they were trying to lock races down in the West and needed a hand, and they followed through on 2 of those. What a coincidence...the tracks they got were the ones where the racers got involved </TD></TR></TABLE>

C'mon man, lets get real. If they wanted an event somewhere they could have made it happen. They simply don't want west coast events, they've said it plenty of times, they don't make any money.

 

I think NOPI should have setup the series in a similar way to sports teams. Run two series, west coast (pacific over to Denver) and east coast (atlantic to midwest) with a final at the NOPI Nationals in september. This would make traveling less of a headache and financial burden and build some rivalry not only with the classes but with the separate series. They could cut the amount of races down to even 5 per series plus the final in order to keep expenses under control.


The downside is that NOPI would either have to keep their support vehicles on the road all season or invest in a second troupe for the second series.

 

Why you guys hating on NOPI? Blame NHRA for dropping the ball on the west coast. NHRA is to blame here they took the easy way out and now NOPI has to deal with it. Thats not fair for NOPI.
You guys should send all your comments to NHRA for taking the coward way out.

 

I dont like the fact that there are no West coast races because it will only make the west coast racers not want to come to the east as often- and thats just bad for everyone.

I really think that a ball was dropped somewhere in my opinion although i will not bash or point fingers.

My way of thinking is that if everyone is thinking of this as a new series and it will take time to grow - then why limit your target market. If someone did indeed take into account the low attendance of the previous West coast events then they are basically creating an oxymoron. How can you have a "new " series but base it off the previous attendance figures? Doesnt make sense to me.

But in reality my opinion is just that- my opinion . None of can sit here and speculate on why nopi did this and why nopi did that. I just hope another sanctioning body steps up to the plate for the sake of the West coast guys and then in 09 some major strategy is layed out.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

C'mon man, lets get real. If they wanted an event somewhere they could have made it happen. They simply don't want west coast events, they've said it plenty of times, they don't make any money. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You and I can only speculate because we don't know, but it would still be interesting to know who walked into their track office and got on them about working with Nopi? Those that did that got a race. Nopi could have made good money at Pomona and had a good turnout because of the lack of races out there, so I'm not sure that is the reason.

I'm not gonna argue about it, so I'm ducking out. Progress can't be made this year by pointing fingers. The schedule is set, so lets make it work. Back to the garage for me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fitti &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think others may be scared to voice their opinion I see lots of views but no posts.

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not scared to post... just either get banned or have certain east coast people start bringing up stupid reasons why the west sucks, and why "they" don't go anywhere, they don't race, east coast events are so much better, etc...... and constantly bashing the west coast racers??? i don't understand why they hate on the west coast racers so much... in this thread and the other thread i don't see one west coast racer talking any kind of crap about the east coast?? (except the one comment i made to poke fun at someone!) but seriously why do some east coasters despise the west coast racers so much??

and now i can bet you that either this will be deleted or a ton of people will come and bash me and say i'm crying about something.. or some kind of stupid comments will come... and for the record let me tell you again....

Nopi hasn't been here for many years.. i'm not missing anything that wasn't already gone....

if they come here then great! i'll run at their event..

if not then its not going to be any different than last year, except for the fact that Pomona will be lost.. but maybe BOTI or IDRC can get the track.. long shot but worth a try...

i had a pretty good amount of events to run at last year and it was fun (despite some car troubles) but still a fun year..

if thats crying then some of you people have some real reading to do.. actually take a class in reading comprehension......

 

The whole point for me racing NOPI/NHRA was to have a chance at a championship. With the new schedule, and years' past schedule it would be worthless to me to even try to make any nopi races since I can't run across the whole US for a championship. Since I can't get a wally or a Championship title, That means I'd be racing for money, and if I'm gonna do that, I'll just sit at the home track and grudge race which is more money anyway, and way closer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jerseyfan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why you guys hating on NOPI? Blame NHRA for dropping the ball on the west coast. NHRA is to blame here they took the easy way out and now NOPI has to deal with it. Thats not fair for NOPI.
You guys should send all your comments to NHRA for taking the coward way out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, we can bitch at NHRA, but guess what, they're gone. NOPI knew this would happen if they didn't get west coast events. So it looks like they didn't even consider west coast events at all. I mean, NOPI could have contacted SCDA at the very least.
but eff it, west coast racers still have a couple of events.

 

I'd be willing to be that if the schedule was flipped, more than 75% of the east coast racers would not participate...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not going to get into it, i stayed out of the last thread, might as well stay out of this one. Ya'll have fun this year! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry Tony, couldn't pass this quote. Still friends.


Did any body else read this in NOPIDRAGS post

[QUOTE=NOPIDRAGS]

What alot of people don't seem to understand is that our events are 2 day events...
Alot of the tracks mentioned only have one day (sound days) openings. We can't do our events in one day. More power to those who can, I wish we could, it would be alot less wear and tear on everyone involved with the event......


QUOTE]

Sounds like they tried but couldn't get 2 day's on the same weekend...

 

Yup, i'm sure they tried, just so happens that the east coast race tracks are that much easier to book.