I was wondering how many teams that race a Honda product (car or motor), would actually stay with Honda products when they don't offer sponsorships or any kind of backing? Would you consider jumping ship to another manufacturer if they offered sponsorship? I have a feeling a majority of you guys would but my question lies with the other 40% that wouldn't, so I ask why?

I'm not starting any controversy what's so ever, I just wanna find out why the Honda love runs so deep. I personally have had 2 GSR's(Integra) one turbo, one nitrous and a crx and a hatch. The only reason I could come up with, is that it was the in thing and all my friends had hondas. Now that times are changing will you continue to stick with Honda if they choose not to offer sponsorship?


I also know this is Honda-tech

 

The only way I'd switch to another manufacturer is if I got a full-ride.

I couldn't imagine coming outta pocket to build a Sunfire SFWD car or something.

If I stopped building Hondas, I would build a NMRA Drag Radial Class Mustang.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lucky Luciano &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was wondering how many teams that race a Honda product (car or motor), would actually stay with Honda products when they don't offer sponsorships or any kind of backing? Would you consider jumping ship to another manufacturer if they offered sponsorship? I have a feeling a majority of you guys would but my question lies with the other 40% that wouldn't, so I ask why?

I'm not starting any controversy what's so ever, I just wanna find out why the Honda love runs so deep. I personally have had 2 GSR's(Integra) one turbo, one nitrous and a crx and a hatch. The only reason I could come up with, is that it was the in thing and all my friends had hondas. Now that times are changing will you continue to stick with Honda if they choose not to offer sponsorship?


I also know this is Honda-tech </TD></TR></TABLE>

Are the times changing though? I have said this about 4 times in all the misc GM vs. Honda threads but I still don't see a single GM product on the street with anything done to it. I don't see any privateer GM products at the track either (sport compact only, that does not count camaros and corvettes and whatnot )

Personally I am building a Honda because Honda is what I know. My next project will most likely be something else (FD35?), but it sure wont be a cobalt.

My question would be this, why does GM keep dumping money into these sponsorships when it seems to get them nowhere?

Or maybe its a regional thing? In other areas maybe cavaliers are considered desirable cars?

You make a good point tho...I wish Honda would help out too.

Having said all that, I am just a guy trying to build a car in my friends backyard...I surely am not the target you had for this question.

 

I think alot of it boils down to being able to work on them with your eyes closed since you have been doing it for so long.....thats really the only logic I can put behind it

 

On a professional level, yeh, alot of people are going to switch to GM if the sponsorships are there for them. But like Bomber said, until their street cars are more desirable then Honda's, the majority of people aren't going to switch. And just making them go faster w/ less money prolly won't work. if thats all people cared about we'd all drive 97 Camaro's.

 

I mean any manufacturer not just GM. Basically what I'm trying to find out is everyone content with Honda? Sponsorship or no sponsorship? I also take into consideration the sponsorship levels; chassis shops, clutch manufaturers, engine blocks and so on. Mainly corporate sponsorship.

 

Here is a few reasons....

they are easy to work on...I almost built most of my car in my little garage for the first time and its not really that hard.

Honda cars have simple yet attractive styling and a good price to match.

their engines rev high & respond to modifications well.

they have a good reputation for quality

(this is just my opinion) most GM compact cars are ugly & still are but I do notice an improvement

their cars are just the right size and are not over sized & overweight pigs (meaning they save more gas) & that means more money in my pocket.

thats all I can think of for now...

 

Personally, i've always loved the Honda car... not because it is a Honda, but just the way things work in it. I feel that the older honda platform is a very good platform to work from. Could i go faster if i chose another platform to build on? Yea, probably, but i'm doing this mainly for me and to have fun... i do want to be competitive, but at the same time, i want to run something that i really enjoy working on and driving. It doesn't hurt that for some reason i have a fascination with CRX's... lol.

But regardless of how competitive it is or not, i'm building this car for the 2005 season, and fully intend on running the entire season in Pro-4cyl with it:



Now i just need to get some certain tech issues straightened out with it (if NOPI would check their mail), and hire a crew chief for next season, and we'll be good to go...

 

I think if a "full ride" came from anyone, you would have to make the switch from Honda. Honda has not been loyal to any of us so why be loyal to them?

 

hey charles .. Remember me from New Braunfels, TX? You bought my friends CRX - I had the blue Si Turbo

Fred

 

free ride. where do i sign my life away.

 

could we drop this subject. **** it comes up weekly and until someone actually gets on with honda just shut the **** up about it. adam saruwatari and RJ devera fucked everyone includin honda. thats the situation, deal with it and quit crying.
BTW, to answer the question, i wouldnt jump to GM, full ride or not. drivin a honda makes me happy. selling out because another manufacturer offered me to drive is not the way i work.

 

I see one fat rat telling a big frustrated lie. The rest of you are human in your response.

The man ask a question about full sponsorship from a major company. This company may want or require you to build something other than GM or Honda.

So if Mary Kay give you money to build an Excel (sp) with a clause that said you cannot drive a honda or any other car not from that manufacture even for your daily driver. Would you? I know some will say if they pay you a stupid amount of money.

 

i want some HFP stuff

 

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I couldn't imagine coming outta pocket to build a Sunfire SFWD car or something.

If I stopped building Hondas, I would build a NMRA Drag Radial Class Mustang.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly what i would go back to doing nmra i got out when they where going 8s on dot street tires now their in the 7s

 

So your asking, if company "xyz" told me,that they would pay me xxx dollars to build/drive there car would I do it.

Yeah.

I like to build stuff and WE ALL LOVE MONEY!

 

I would go so fast your head would spin, honda is easy to build. But money and help is what we need, not easy! gm is looking far teams and cars I heard ???
GM money does spend, I know, years back!!!!!!

 

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Well said.

 

I haven't raced anywhere competitively, so my response is based on my street cars. I've lived, eaten, and drank everything honda since I was 17. Think about all of the tech stuff that the street guys have figured out thus far. ls/vtec, mini-me, disk brake swaps, ect..... It wasn't honda that taught us how to do that.
I guess it's just that we've come this far with getting the most bang for our buck. I couldn't imagine trying to figure out any other manufacturer's tricks without finding some other people that have the same interest. If there's something you want to do to a honda, but aren't sure, you can hit the net and somebody, somewhere has already done it. Any other manufacturer is far behind when you think about some of the everyday things the honda community has developed.

 

I will stick with Honda. Great base platform. Easy to work on. Responds well to modification. Huge aftermarket support. Reliable. Factory support would be nice, but I won't switch to GM , Mazda or whatever just to get sponsored.

 

gm.. mopar..
any domestic automaker willing to step in and support this industry...

 

soon this is going to be nascar drag racing. whatever goes fast! i wish honda would step up..

 

I dont think its a bad thing that the american car manufacturers are getting into the game. If anything it gives us all a bit more respect to the scene, and also some competition in the world. Yes it may be unfair that they get a large budget, but look how far honda's have come without any real sponsorship? We have brought the scene to where it is, to make it desireable for a large sponsor like GM or mopar to try to get a piece of it. Eventually more auto makers will follow, and we will start seeing more drivers with full rides. We are just at the beginning when everything is starting to be seen.

Once honda see's "hey wait a min look at the huge market we have passed up", we better get in on that. Which should happen as more sponsors get in on the game. Im sure honda is not anti-racing, I think they are pro-making money. If they dont see it as a possible imediate income potential, they are not going to do it. Look at there indy cars, they do race cars, we just have to win there interest!.

There are also alot of other potential sponsors that are out there to get on the game. We dont have to look at just the car manufactuerers to help there. Look at other forms of racing. You have Pepsi, Coca-cola, Gatoraid, UPS, tabaco companys, microsoft, Dell, etc.. The scene just has to grow more to attract them, and domestic sponsorship is going to help get there.

If GM and Mopar werent in the field, lots of our dads wouldnt be watching us race, then telling there friends, Hey I saw this Gardella guy with a honda that ran 180mph in the 1/4 mile... yeah with a 4cyl! Things spread, all we can do is stop complaining, Step it up and GM hell!

Just my opinion

Jay

 

Re: Factory Support

Yes, I will stay with Honda. I could not give up on such a great all around company just because they don't have the desire to throw "General Motors Money" at the sport. As long as I live I will Ride/Drive/and Own Honda.



&gt;&gt; Try to look at it like them helping us out &gt;&gt;

People switching to other Factory teams is just evolution of the sport. It is great that GM teams are supporting the sport as well as Ed w/Mazdaspeed and Shawn w/Mopar. This keeps the sport alive for us Honda drivers/owners to continue to race at these venues. As long as factory teams are involed and showing the world they can throw crazy dollars at their race programs this will then help everyone gain support to race our Honda Cars.

&gt;&gt; Sellouts &gt;&gt;

People that strayed from Honda Cars to acquire a bigger racing budget or an established engine program and technology on the hunt to win a NHRA Championship. Try not to look down upon these sellouts, just be greatful that is them and not you !!

&gt;&gt; General Motors (aka "Mr. Goodwrench") &gt;&gt;
(A few making the change is good business. Alot making the change is bad news!!)

More and more I see GM in the spotlight of Sport Compact. This is the United States of America and they are running it, it's understandable. They can't be beat at their own sport in their own country. Joining Gereral Motors Does not exactly make you a winner, it's helping them dominate the sport. General Motors goal is to saturate the Sport Compact Scene with General Motors Products and someone, (ie: Honda Cars) needs to stop them or at least be a thorn in Mr. Goodwrench's side.
So, saturate the field all you want with Mr. Goodwrench. It will just make me, The Honda Driver stand out and earn the deserved respect of staying TRUE.

&gt;&gt; At the End of it All &gt;&gt;

I would love to say Thank You, to all the Factory Teams involved in the Sport Compact Industry and I support every diverse team owner and driver to the fullest!! ( ok, ok , not every driver... ...you know who you are &gt;&gt; punk *** bitch -®). Also, a Thank You to Honda for all your past and current support in the Sport.

"Rep The H Por Vida"
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Rguy