Hello to all,

Im not sure if this topic belongs in this thread but id like to know some things about the ERL Superdeck II. Hope some of you can help me out.

I have a EG H22 and im going to build the block. Sleeve, bore and stroke. (89x95 or 89x100 (with crower crank)). ALL MOTOR

Now you can increase displacement with decking of the block and ERL can do this with the Superdeck option. I want to know the following:

- Some of you run this option, do you or did you ever experience leakage problems?
- How much extra height do you get? Can it be custom made?
- I want to run off the shelf pistons for my setup, where can i get custom length rods to achieve this? (any recommendations).
- Any extra info is welcome!!

Extra info/ Goals:

- 2.5 - 2.6 l. Street/Strip (Mostly strip)
- Racing head on skunk2 pro stage 2.
- TWMs
- SMPS

PS. Already searched.

 

My block is closed deck.

 

while i have the superdeck 2 on my b16, it just raised the height to that of a GSR, then i used a GSR crank/rods/pistons to get my extra displacement.

For a h22a, you'd have to have custom rods, pistons should work the same. Although if you get one of the big cranks, you'd need a custom rod as well.

best thing to do is call ERL and they can give you your options

 

What are you up to this year?

 

Sneaky semnos, very sneaky.

 

With the H22 it's really only an option to run a longer rod/stroke combo.

A 2.6L can easily be achieved with an OEM deck.

 

You can also run aluminum rods with custom lengths. I can get them made within 7 business days. I have used them for years, and so do most of the top all motor teams...even though they will not admit to it.

Amazing weight savings, forgiving nature, and nice pricing make aluminum rods very favorable.

 

So many reviews, yet not much input.
Come on guys, what are your thoughts on increasing displacement through decking the block?

 

People have proven that you can run a 2.6L on the stock deck height, why bother?

And while we're on that topic, why do you want to run a set of custom rods, which typically are a lot more expensive than shelf rods, isntead of just a set of custom pistons, which are only going to be a couple bucks more than a set of shelf pistons?

 

Im willing to pay a couple of 100s extra for rods and have a better r/s ratio = more reliable.

 

With the money you are putting into this motor, why use a shelf piston? I haven't seen one of their H22 plates but I had one of their .550 deckplates for my B series. I'm assuming they do the same with the H. You shouldn't have any problems with gaskets as long as the machining is good and you use care putting it together. The plate is a press fit.

There is probably a non-Honda long rod that will work for you as long as you give an engine builder some room to work with that piston. A lot of the pro cars are running aluminum rods as Bisi said, but there's also a 9.60 car running steel rods. The weight savings is great, and they are very forgiving, but it will be some work getting it in there. I would definately go for the tall deck despite all the "don't bothers" in here. They aren't the ones swapping bearings and rings every weekend With a good head and that 100 stroke 300hp should be a breeze.

If you need help sizing all that stuff up call Jim at Stewart Engines 317-244-9129. It will be a piece of cake.

 

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And you can use an even longer rod if you don't use that shelf piston. Keep the dome out of that piston to keep the weight down and get your compression elsewhere.

 

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just a side note, I wasn't clear from the original post, but if the OP is saying that the deck plate increases displacement, it doesn't. just so he knows.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With the money you are putting into this motor, why use a shelf piston? I haven't seen one of their H22 plates but I had one of their .550 deckplates for my B series. I'm assuming they do the same with the H. You shouldn't have any problems with gaskets as long as the machining is good and you use care putting it together. The plate is a press fit.

There is probably a non-Honda long rod that will work for you as long as you give an engine builder some room to work with that piston. A lot of the pro cars are running aluminum rods as Bisi said, but there's also a 9.60 car running steel rods. The weight savings is great, and they are very forgiving, but it will be some work getting it in there. I would definately go for the tall deck despite all the "don't bothers" in here. They aren't the ones swapping bearings and rings every weekend With a good head and that 100 stroke 300hp should be a breeze.

If you need help sizing all that stuff up call Jim at Stewart Engines 317-244-9129. It will be a piece of cake.
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Thanks very much!! This is the info id like to get!!

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just a side note, I wasn't clear from the original post, but if the OP is saying that the deck plate increases displacement, it doesn't. just so he knows.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is clear to me, it's just that by decking i can have a longer rod put in which will alleviate side loading.

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And you can use an even longer rod if you don't use that shelf piston. Keep the dome out of that piston to keep the weight down and get your compression elsewhere.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Any extra info on that??

 

There is so much power in dome design, it is amazing. You can gain compression with a low peak, high area dome, and still "eat you cake and have it too". The technology is not cheap, but also not excruciating: hence the "bisimoto spec piston".

In regard to aluminum rods, I have personally sold sets to teams that have, in my presence, told other competitors that thay run steel rods! Aluminum rods have many advantages, especially if designed properly...too many companies sell domestic V8/V6 size rods to sport compact racers posing installation problems. The ones I sell are designed and catered to our high revving, small bore, efficient engines. I get over 2 seasons of hard racing, testing and dynoing on my set, and due to demand, sell them used to budget racers and they get abused even more!

It is natural for people to be afraid of components that are not as ubiquitous in nature, but many, many racers and street enthusiasts are using components, and due to the competitive nature of our scene....never let it out.

 

Why would top teams not admit to using aluminum rods? So "the other" guy thinks that its not necessary and therefore won't run them? I have heard of aluminum rods being used in street cars for a long time. Then you also hear the usual stuff like "can't use them in a street car" or "they don't last long at all" etc.

 

Some of the quick Pro AM cars were using Ti rods. The price of Ti shot through the roof this year...so some of them started using steel again. These guys have several motors in their rotation and not all of them are using the same rod. I can name 3 top teams that ran motors with Aluminum, Ti, and Steel rods at various races and they experienced similar ETs between them.

The advantages of an aluminum rod are more than just a weight savings. They are very forgiving over a steel rod. For anyone that says they aren't strong, fuel cars run aluminum with 8000 hp and they reuse the rods for multiple passes. Granted...thats a big *** al rod


This piston was good for ~17:1. Get the idea?


Here is my ERL superdeck B18 block just to give you an idea. The plate is press fit and has a gasket underneath. If you have a good machine shop...sealing isn't a problem at all. Sorry for the bad pic.

 

Right, I have always heard that they absorb shock--otherwise, I don't think the Top Fuel motors would run period with a steel rod. As far as longevity in a street Honda---is it possible? Say 15,000 miles?

 

ERL is so perty...lol. I love their work. When I have enough money to get a backup block built thats who I will be contacting. they get my two

 

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good info

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16dcoe45 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Right, I have always heard that they absorb shock--otherwise, I don't think the Top Fuel motors would run period with a steel rod. As far as longevity in a street Honda---is it possible? Say 15,000 miles?</TD></TR></TABLE>

...more like 60,000.


Thanks, HardT.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuin9sec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ERL is so perty...lol. I love their work. When I have enough money to get a backup block built thats who I will be contacting. they get my two

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I thought you had sponsors that gave you multiple blocks as your backup?

 

LOL, that hole he's in is about 100' deep, going to take forever to get out of it, especially when people keep kicking dirt in there.

 

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What happeend to the 4 built blocks?

EDIT: Ahh somebody beat me to it..

 

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What happeend to the 4 built blocks?

EDIT: Ahh somebody beat me to it.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was just thinking that lol