Hey guys, just to let you know before the race season gets into full swing. One of our suppliers, the largest warehouse for Dart, has placed an order for 40 new DART blocks. This covers all 4 different part numbers that DART will be manufacturing. 81.5mm and 84.5mm standard deck height and the same bores but tall deck style. The Price for these blocks are $2295 each. The blocks will be available to us in two weeks. Anyone interested in one of these blocks can contact me. We will be selling them for $1995 to anyone that sees this post. So far the rules for the Quick class and allmotor classes allow for these blocks. For anyone who wouldnt know why they need to spend the extra for one of these over a Re-sleeved block is ... the aluminum that these are made of are fully weldable with no crap in the weld....so throw a rod through it and its repairable , all the sleeves are replaceable, steel main caps with studs and no more leaky deck plate extensions...

Any questions regarding these please call the shop dont IM me...

Howard

 

Im still under the impression that these blocks are not allowed under the rules of any racing sanction that is in hot rod (NHRA), quick Class (IDRC) or all motor.

 

yeah dont they have to sell like 2000 blocks befor they are going to be legal to race with????? sounds like a nice block if we could use em.

 

I cant say forsure with nhra, but I know they are illegal in idrc. Also, the way nhra changes rules...id be scared to drop money on these since it might be a waste if your going to compete.

 

I talked to Tom Payne a while back and he said NHRA approved them for Hot Rod, but not all motor yet.

 

He told me 99% it was but not 100%. Thas been the story since.

 

The NDRA allows the Dart block to be used. The Retail prices of these block are$1995.95 straight from Dart!!! So if you already have a engine block you really should just sleeve what you have. unless you want a raised deck block and then your going to have crank problems! we offer AEBS sleeves at GTP Racing(www.gtpracing.com) and had great success with this product for NA applications as well as turbo. We currently are building a turbo civic to campaign in the NDRA circuit the block uses AEBS sleeves with a large bore and has been tested to 30+ pounds of boost, So there's really no reason to scrap the block you already own.

 

Except that if you sleeve you b20 you still don't have oil squirters, on ls/vtec aplications you still need an external oil line, you need to buy a block girdle, you need to buy a block guard, and it still won't be as stiff as the DART block and you have spend almost the same amount of money.

Please explain "crank problems" from a raised deck?

If you use a 87mm crank on the tall deck you get roughly a 1.74 rod to stroke, with a 95mm crank it will be roughly 1.64 rod to stroke (depending on the what pistons (strutted) and rods that are used)

Mattj

 

Most people I know plug the oil squirters...and take it as a good thing if its ls and dont have to worry about oil squirters. Also, if you sleeve a motor you dont install a block quard. Its still way cheaper to use a factory block and get it sleeved then a dart block. You can have a gsr block sleeved out the door for 1500 bucks. Thats cheaper then a dart block plus you will have a crank, oil pan....ect. ect....the little stuff will all add up. It would almost be cheaper to buy a whole short block then to buy the little things seperate.

 

Werd. I`m finishing up a bare shorty that I had sleeved and the misc **** nickle and dimed me to death. It would have been cheaper to buy a b16 longblock just to pick parts off of it.

Ryan

 

how thick is the deck plate?

with a 95mm crank, what kind of rods could one use for the block?

depending on the deck plate height, what displacement would the block be with a 95mm crank, 84.5mm bore? or does deck plate height really have nothing to do with displacement?

 

So how much will it cost someone to get a fully sleeved AEBS block turned around with shipping? Also the pricing structure that I have came from my supplier, I spoke with a rep. and found that the retail is actually 2095..typo, sorry. And no one said trash your old blocks. There are alot more advantages to having one of these blocks anyway. And if your spending 795-900 dollars on a GE re-sleeve or 1200 for an AEBS and having issues with the line bores or sleeves dropping, it just seems to me it would be more cost effective to buy a complete new block...Remember if you dont have a block for a re-sleeve you still have to buy one...yea yea LS blocks cost us around 100-300 but how about a GSR block. Im not flaming other blocks just read the posts around here. We have a Darton sleeved block, looks good, im still not impressed. This wasnt a FS post either , just notifying people that on the east coast there will be a stocking warehouse for them. People have IM me about them so I responded with the information that was given to me. Just because they may not be legal yet in all sanctions doesnt mean there are not people out there that still want something that is top notch for the car.

Howard



[Modified by AR Fab, 10:18 AM 12/24/2002]

 

AEBS sleeves out the door price 1495.00, other options may make it more but stock to stock it's cheaper. And AEBS sleeves don't drop like golden eagle. Some people never use product and think they know talk to the top racers in the country and you'll find the best products. AEBS doesn't sell sleeve kits which help control quality.

 

I like it how 1 person says that Golden Eagle sleeves drop and now they all do.

 

Wait a second. I have never seen a documented test of the Dart blocks. Has anyone? Can anyone show me that they work? I would think if you cast a new block "even with a ton of R&D money" there are going to be some issues with quality or design. I would like to know how a little more about their design proccess and how many blocks blew up while testing them and what happened. I mean that in a good way. The more you blow **** up and strees it the more problems you can find and fix. Where are these blocks made anyway? Did they make the casting molds off of Honda blocks or did they digitize a honda block and then make the molds? I'm sure Honda didn't hand over the CAD file and say "go ahead and make the changes you want to our design". I think there are a lot of questions that need to be asked. DART has done a crappy job of marketing this block.

Who makes them for DART?

 

lol, that is so true around here.

 

ive seen more than enough first hand. well not all of em have actually sunken sleeves.. some just leak through the bottom...my mistake

 

umm Golden Eagle sleeves are pretty good untill some people starting to have problem with them. When i got my sleeves back Jerry Built J-B welded the bottom of my sleeves and i have put 1200 miles on the motor so far, it seems fine. I guess for those people who has Golden Eagle's sleeves maybe wanna give it a try for the J-B weld (just a idea). thanks again Jerry


[Modified by Dual Cams, 5:41 AM 12/27/2002]

 

10 friends and I have been using GE sleeves for two years w/out any problems. I`m not too worried about it. Even if something did happen, I`m sure Vince would take care of it.

 

I for one am still interested in checking out a Dart block...

It sounds good to me... (I guess that I just DONT want another sleeved block, no matter who does the work)

but thats just me....




[Modified by trboCIVIC&WRX, 4:35 PM 12/27/2002]

 

Vice and Ted, their great guys.

 

ANY aftermarket sleeves can drop if they're not installed correctly. I personally had Darton sleeves drop several times in my H23 motor. 3 times to be exact. It turned out that they weren't installed correctly. Took my block to another shop, problem fixed, same type of sleeves. Time will tell how good the DART blocks really are.

 

This post wasnt for bashing others product line.....So far I have used everyones style of re-sleeving...even did our own. Most people have to buy a block then have it sleeved, deck , bored, honed and maybe even line bored. By the time you spend your money doing so you have come so close to spending the same amount that you would on a DART but, youll bet getting alot more features than a resleeved block. The company DART has been making engine blocks and heads way before Honda introduced the blocks we are using. The aluminum used in these blocks are what the Nitro/Funny cars use, other than the sleeve material, rest assured your getting 2500+ HP technology in this block. DART nor Payne Tech is sponsoring us or helping us out, this is my observation of what I have seen in person. We should just be lucky that a company like DART has moved in to build us something like this. This kind of advancement in our industry is gonna help us continue to break speed barriers. Soon someone will be doin heads, maybe even some crazy front suspension thats gets a FWD to drop down some crazy 60ft. Just an overall observation and opinion......

Howard


[Modified by AR Fab, 7:13 PM 12/27/2002]

 

One thing that also worries me about Dart blocks is that they are brand new. I think its a good thing to get used honda blocks because they are given a chance to heat cycle and cure. I wonder if that might be a problem with dart blocks? The other thing that worries me is they dont have a crank girdle in them either. They look like an ls to me and they might let the crank walk. I do think it is cool that anouther company is making stuff for hondas though. Gives us options. It will be needed someday I guess when there are no honda blocks left.

 

I always wondered about this.. I guess this is what we will have to do when its like the year 2019, and there arent any B series blocks left at all, worries me, lol, but untill thne, ill stick with a stock honda block