i was wondering what about the average time is in the street comp class, not looking to win just curious the possiblity of not being a total joke

thanks in advance

 

I think it's going to vary depending on the area you're in. I know at our seattle boti a few weeks ago, most cars were from mid 10-mid 11's. Yoparts pulled a 9.41 i believe and do it dyno ran a 9.70. two fastest. but it was a high 10second car that won. Its not always the fastest car that wins, alot of times, its the one that lasts and doesnt break.

 

you are only a total joke if you hump the revlimiter and oil down both sides of the track at mir like that xb did at i vs. d in o6. funny you had to be there.

show up, qualify, stage, leave, and dont go red, you have atleast a chance.

 

Make sure first your cars meets all the rules in that class first.

 

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yes! there was quite a few cars that only ran one qualifying run. as they didnt meet weight and ran fun runs the rest of the night.

 

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I noticed in seattle that many cars did not know their weight limit..and some were complaining about because they have a Single cam they should get a break on the weight ETC....

 

thanks for the replys

from looking at the rules my car should pass no problem, i should be running mid to low 11s next year with slicks and the power increase, my car is overweight so im good on that too, 2875lbs with me in it, i have a 8pt roll bar, just have to get 3" belts and build a shatter shield, hoping they have a boti event somewhere in the midwest next year otherwise ill be looking east coast probably

 

youll be fine.

for rules please visit our site

http://www.battleoftheimports.com

http://www.battleoftheimports....p.pdf

 

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This was the 1st time that the scales had ever been used at battle up here. Most people had no idea what there cars actually weighed. And the rules were loosely enforced before this year, which is something people up here aren't used to.

My D16 s/c car was DQ'd for being 200lbs underweight, and we asked (and were denied) if we could get a weight break based on the fact that it is a D16 that makes 200+ LESS hp than the competitive B or K cars. But hey rules are rules, right?

Myself aside, it appeared that nearly 1/2 the B series cars in s/c didn't even make weight! People were everywhere trying to put weight into their cars.

Our other s/c car which is an EG hatch with a sleeved 2.0 lsvtec setup barely even made weight. And it had heavy 5-lug suspension/brakes, heavy wheels, full steel cage, no carbon fiber anywhere, a completely full tank of gas, and a 240lb driver.

We had our cars inspected by the BOTI staff, and the tech inspection was SUPER thorough. We went to great lengths and expense to make sure we had all of the required safety equipment and ran an approved fuel, and all SFI tags were up to date.

I saw many other cars that were tech'd by PR staff, and passed tech even with major violations.

Also, most of the locals were running a fuel that is not on the approved fuel list, but that wasn't enforced either.

I personally was indeed upset that I was DQ'd for being underweight, while many others were still allowed to compete even though they didn't meet all the rules either.

If one rule is enforced, they all should be.

 

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This was the 1st time that the scales had ever been used at battle up here. Most people had no idea what there cars actually weighed. And the rules were loosely enforced before this year, which is something people up here aren't used to.

My D16 s/c car was DQ'd for being 200lbs underweight, and we asked (and were denied) if we could get a weight break based on the fact that it is a D16 that makes 200+ LESS hp than the competitive B or K cars. But hey rules are rules, right?

that is correct. anyone going into competition at a series event with heads up classes will always have rules. it is your responsibility as a car owner to see to those rules and make the necessary changes to make weight, proper safety equipment , etc etc.

Myself aside, it appeared that nearly 1/2 the B series cars in s/c didn't even make weight! People were everywhere trying to put weight into their cars.

it is the choice of the driver and car owner to be placed in his respective class, to know the rules before entering in competition.

Our other s/c car which is an EG hatch with a sleeved 2.0 lsvtec setup barely even made weight. And it had heavy 5-lug suspension/brakes, heavy wheels, full steel cage, no carbon fiber anywhere, a completely full tank of gas, and a 240lb driver.

where are you going with this statement?

We had our cars inspected by the BOTI staff, and the tech inspection was SUPER thorough. We went to great lengths and expense to make sure we had all of the required safety equipment and ran an approved fuel, and all SFI tags were up to date.

I saw many other cars that were tech'd by PR staff, and passed tech even with major violations.

ive seen racers come to tech with everything they need in order to pass. then go back to the pits and tear everything out, change parts and go racing. it is up to the car owner to be a " good sportsman".
competitors at Seattle did not know what respective class to be put in, most cases was, " i want to race in that turbo class" if they were in violation, the answer was simple. they would be dq'd and put into s/e or time trials.

Also, most of the locals were running a fuel that is not on the approved fuel list, but that wasn't enforced either.

battle strictly enforces the accepted fuel list for pro classes respectively, however what gas or fuel where you referring to that is not accepted?

I personally was indeed upset that I was DQ'd for being underweight, while many others were still allowed to compete even though they didn't meet all the rules either.

If one rule is enforced, they all should be.

and i agree with you. but at the end of the day, it is your sole responsibility to take care of your own car first and make sure you are within the boundaries of the rules.


it is up to you if you want the be the better sportsman, you can contest someone within your class if you feel like they are not within the rules

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Don't be put off by Jason's reply. He's a racer and knows how you feel. I'm sure he and Frank will see to things.

As for the races we've been at, the rules seem to be enforced fairly.

I'm sure we'll hear stories from others about different tracks, but Jason is a stand up guy.


Also, it's much more fun to play by the rules. One less thing you have to worry about.

 

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This was the 1st time that the scales had ever been used at battle up here. Most people had no idea what there cars actually weighed. And the rules were loosely enforced before this year, which is something people up here aren't used to.

My D16 s/c car was DQ'd for being 200lbs underweight, and we asked (and were denied) if we could get a weight break based on the fact that it is a D16 that makes 200+ LESS hp than the competitive B or K cars. But hey rules are rules, right?

Myself aside, it appeared that nearly 1/2 the B series cars in s/c didn't even make weight! People were everywhere trying to put weight into their cars.

Our other s/c car which is an EG hatch with a sleeved 2.0 lsvtec setup barely even made weight. And it had heavy 5-lug suspension/brakes, heavy wheels, full steel cage, no carbon fiber anywhere, a completely full tank of gas, and a 240lb driver.

We had our cars inspected by the BOTI staff, and the tech inspection was SUPER thorough. We went to great lengths and expense to make sure we had all of the required safety equipment and ran an approved fuel, and all SFI tags were up to date.

I saw many other cars that were tech'd by PR staff, and passed tech even with major violations.

Also, most of the locals were running a fuel that is not on the approved fuel list, but that wasn't enforced either.

I personally was indeed upset that I was DQ'd for being underweight, while many others were still allowed to compete even though they didn't meet all the rules either.

If one rule is enforced, they all should be.


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I understand where you were coming from... But Jayson is right, It is the Racer's responsibilty to figure out which class he wants to Compete in and his responsibilty to know the rules for that class...I saw a few people in the S/C class that shouldnt have been there...there was one kid in a Blue hatch that didnt have a helmet and running Street tires...nothing agenst him but i think he was lost! hahahaha

 

I agree with all of the above. We all know it's your own responsibility to make sure you are setup correctly and play fair.

I personally did not go and complain to anyone about being DQ'd. I knew it and accepted it. But a few of our guys did get a little too worked up about it. We did ask for a break and were denied - no problem. Like I said before, rules are rules.

It was just upsetting to get DQ'd for a violation and see others not. I'm sure anyone else here would feel the same.

BOTI staff did a perfect job of tech inspection, but the PR staff did some of it and allowed a lot of crap.

My comment about our other car barely making weight was just an observation.

"battle strictly enforces the accepted fuel list for pro classes respectively, however what gas or fuel where you referring to that is not accepted?"

That is what we were told at the event as well, but if you actually read the rules for the sportsman classes, they state that the accepted fuels for those classes must be on the approved fuel list. Nowhere does it state that the list applies only to Pro class cars.

Most of the locals run Trick brand fuel, which is not on the list.

No big deal, but I hope you guys can see where I'm coming from.

Rules are rules, but some are easier to enforce than others when it comes down to reality I guess.

I actually asked Frank about a possible weight break. Quotation from my e-mail below:

" I would like to know if it is at all possible to have a rule change made regarding weight in the S/C class.

I am probably the only D-series car in S/C, and am under weight by 200lbs. Since there are weight breaks in the alll-motor classes based on engine, is it at all possible to have the weight limit for a D-series S/C car be 2300lbs w/driver? I am making 200-300hp less (470whp) than all the B-series cars.

Without this provision, my car does not fit any class, and will have to be retired. I can't put 200lbs of ballast in the car and be at all competitive, since I can't make as much power as the B-series cars. If this is at all possible, I would be most grateful. I don't believe any of the other drivers would be upset by this since I'm still not a threat, and It may encourage more people with lower budgets to build D-series S/C cars. I know of several local guys with D-series builds that would compete in S/C if the weight break was there. Plus, it would be cool for the spectators to see a underdog engined car compete. You know how people dig that (Bisi for example).

Anyways, thanks for your time and consideration of my request."

Do any of you guys think that this request and line of thinking makes any sense?

 

James, i totally understand how you feel and you and I have talked about these things many times before. In year's past rules have been a joke at our boti events up here. it is good to see them trying to enforce them. And this is also the first year we've had weighing which will take some getting used to for some who aren't aware. I personally feel that all of the heads up street classes need to be tech'd by Boti officials as the PR guys don't really know what to look for other then battery tie downs and coolant overflows.

The way things are going, I'm sure we'll be seeing those fuel sample valves coming into play in the near future (like nhra did). James I hope things work out as that lil sohc is a pretty good contender for what it is. it'd be a shame to see it not out there at the next race. Although maybe its a sign u need to get that B done

-Zol