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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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i think if that was the case you would be required to run the b16a
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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let me refraise that. I ment run my "built B16" in a rhd crx.
could I do that in s/s?
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 91' LS-VTEC
Like it said befor.. "just throwing this out there"

So if I have a JDM CR-X EF8 (witch comes stock witha B-series).
Then I can put my 2L in it & run s/s?
If you have a real JDM CRX (not converted), then you would only be allowed to run a B16 motor, no B18s. If you built a B16 thats fine, but there are many differences in the b16 and b18 blocks unlike the B18B to B18C so any B18 would be out of the question.
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 06:46 PM
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thanx for clearing that up a little Fran.
Seems kinda like a grey area to me.
Theres problley no real benefit to running a B-series S/S CRX,cause of weight penalties.

???
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 01:06 AM
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I'll be back next year.
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mx621
i think you would be fine. i run a ls block in my integra and its a gsr. as long as its a single cam in a civic it should be ok. whats the difference if a z6 is in a ex, a dx, or a si.

like for me i have a ls block in a gsr chassis, but whats the difference, i can still put a ls crank in a gsr block. jason hunt was inspecting cars and tried to make me run the all motor street class at imports vs domestics. i was telling him this is my 3rd time running this class.

both jason miller at MIR, and frank choi @ BOTI said my ls/v setup was perfectly ok for street stock.
Sweet that sounds good to have the nod from Frank Choi. Hopefully i'll be runnin' with ya this season.

Any other input guys?
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 91' LS-VTEC
thanx for clearing that up a little Fran.
Seems kinda like a grey area to me.
Theres problley no real benefit to running a B-series S/S CRX,cause of weight penalties.

???
there are no min weights in the street stock class.

this is the direct rule on the imports vs domestics website in street stock:
Engine: No motor swaps allowed. Engine and cylinder head must have been available for year, make, and model of car sold in USA.

boti rules may differ.


I think that boti should follow the imports vs domestics rules and allow 6 cylender car compete in street stock, really helps fill the field, look at the street stock turnout:

Position # VEHICLE ENG DRIVER HOMETOWN ET MPH
1
152 95 VW N/A MATT IUAN EDISON NJ 12.692 106.79
2
515 00 INTEGRA 1.8 PHIL ALBERTSON NEWARK DE 12.752 106.75
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326 02 MAXIMA V6 JASON PROCTOR CAPITOL HGHTS MD 12.909 106.84
4
831X 91 HONDA 3.0 CURTIS BOODAS GLENN DALE MD 12.972 109.31
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267 04 BMW 3.2 GARRETT GILES WOODBRIDGE VA 13.246 105.84
6
255 04 350Z 3.5 JEROME FENWICK BALTIMORE MD 13.532 102.73
7
614 95 MAXIMA 3.0 AARON PROCTOR CAPITOL HGHTS MD 13.551 103.12
8
417 02 MAXIMA 3.5 JONATHAN DUPRER UPPER MARLBORO MD 13.588 102.39
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674 95 BMW 3.0 SOU PHOUBANDITH FREDERICK MD 13.589 105.46
10
6108 91 CRX 1.6 STEPHEN MONTI BALTIMORE MD 13.623 99.82
11
542 03 BMW N/A PETER **** GAITHERSBURG MD 13.801 101.90
12
710 07 350Z 3.5 DAVID MOORE STERLING VA 13.839 100.63
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729 04 SENTRA 2.5 STEVEN LUSBY LUSBY MD 13.935 94.80
14
328 93 CIVIC 1.6 RENE DIEQUEZ FAIRFAX VA 14.141 95.82
15
99 98 SONOMA V6 KEVIN REDMOND LEONARDTOWN MD 14.149 94.76
16
506 07 MAXIMA 3.5 KEVIN CRAWFORD HANOVER MD 14.157 97.49
17
568 04 350Z 3.5 DEREK BRAHAM FT WASHINGTON MD 14.192 97.14
18
431 02 HONDA 2.0 PHILLIP CHANEY MECHANICSVILLE MD 14.365 97.35
19
183 95 VW N/A PAUL KIERNAN ELKTON MD 14.525 100.87
20
411 04 HONDA 2.2 ANTHONY RODRIGUEZ RICHMOND VA 14.533 98.38
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648 07 CIVIC 2.0 TONY MONTROSS DUMFRIES VA 14.547 96.75
22
410 06 350Z 3.5 ENOCH ORONA RICHMOND VA 14.593 98.95
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418 04 350Z 3.5 DAVID VAGEL BALTIMORE MD 14.627 101.58
24
687 03 350Z 3.5 DONALD WOODCOCK GAMBRILLS MD 14.693 99.50
25
670 01 S2000 2.0 RAFAEL DELACRUZ WOODBRIDGE VA 14.693 94.97
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752 07 S2000 2.2 JEFF HOUCHENS DULLES VA 14.723 97.64
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481 03 HONDA 2.0 JULIAN PRICE ARLINGTON VA 14.755 93.37
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510 01 ACURA 3.2 AARON MCMULLEN LARGO MD 14.882 93.73
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736 08 CIVIC 4C EDWIN SALGUERO FAIRFAX VA 15.247 91.67
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556 04 RSX N/A MCLEAN EDEVER HANOVER MD 15.838 87.36
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681 08 SCION 2.4 CHARLIE RALEY AVENUE MD 16.387 86.40
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742 03 CIVIC 2.0 JACOB MILLER BALTIMORE MD 16.476 84.46
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632 03 ACURA N/A MANNY ARIETA BELTSVILLE MD 16.907 88.18
34
469 05 SCION 2.4 GLENN BROWN NEWBURG MD 17.247 79.27
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 07:55 AM
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Hmm I thought street stock didnt have enough cars? The rules are awesome for imports vs domestics, look at the diversity and turn out in the class. The promoter of the event spread the word on a ton of forums to get a large street stock turnout, and it happened. The cars are out there, they are willing to race, there just needs to be better more open rules ( for VWs', nissans ect) and good communication.

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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Take out the rwd and the domestic and it's still a full field.
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ctr_ek209
i'll be ready for you this time jason i got somthing in the works
It will be fun to line up with you again..
Hopefully I can make some small changes to my car and run a little faster...
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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you gunna come up north this year???
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Still thinking of the thought of building another S/S single cam car for next season.. I have a spare engine sitting in the garage...
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 08:01 AM
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i just picked up a 88 civic dx hb. now am i allowed to run a built b16 in this car or do i have to run a SOHC ??
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ctr_ek209
you gunna come up north this year???
Yeah.. I'm going to make all the California races and Las Vagas too... I don't know about Seattle or Woodburn though..

Originally Posted by FLATBUSH PROJECTS
i just picked up a 88 civic dx hb. now am i allowed to run a built b16 in this car or do i have to run a SOHC ??
If that were the case, then I would have to put my motor into an EG...
I am pretty sure you have to run a single cam..
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FLATBUSH PROJECTS
i just picked up a 88 civic dx hb. now am i allowed to run a built b16 in this car or do i have to run a SOHC ??

read my post above you. thats the point I was getting at.
you have to run the motor that was available to your car in that year (in the U.S.)

So you pretty much have to stay SOHC. NON VTEC i'm asuming.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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well that sucks.... but what about having a integra LS??? we had an integra ls at fontana and we had a lsvtec going on. i know the the integra didnt come with an lsvtec
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FLATBUSH PROJECTS
well that sucks.... but what about having a integra LS??? we had an integra ls at fontana and we had a lsvtec going on. i know the the integra didnt come with an lsvtec
i dont think that matters much. as long as its the same series engine in that model it belongs, not down to the exact edition, like rs, ls, gsr, itr.

i would see no problem with a ls/v in a ls integra. its a b series in a integra, not a motor swap as far as i am conserned.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FLATBUSH PROJECTS
i just picked up a 88 civic dx hb. now am i allowed to run a built b16 in this car or do i have to run a SOHC ??
Originally Posted by 91' LS-VTEC
read my post above you. thats the point I was getting at.
you have to run the motor that was available to your car in that year (in the U.S.)

So you pretty much have to stay SOHC. NON VTEC i'm asuming.
It must be a single cam but you actually can run vtec or non.. It just needs to be a single....
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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We need the schedule already!!!!!! Can't wait to be competing with you guys in the West Coast events!
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SOHCinWA
It must be a single cam but you actually can run vtec or non.. It just needs to be a single....
well thats bending the rules? I don't recall any sohc vtec motors from 88-91' ??
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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Not really.. 88-91 came with "D" series engines. They must stay "D" series...

90-91 tegs didnt come with vtecs either but guys have them in the class... Cause they are still a "B" series
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SOHCinWA
Not really.. 88-91 came with "D" series engines. They must stay "D" series..
but if you add a vtec head, that would be a swap. This seems to be a grey area???.
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 91' LS-VTEC
but if you add a vtec head, that would be a swap. This seems to be a grey area???.
no.
why is there such confusion? this is a class that has existed for years. the rules could be worded a little better for those with reading comprehension problems but afaik a motor swap would be using a motor family that was never offered in a particular chassis.
-Roger
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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I think the class should be a little more strict and precise on the rules.

And it not just "run any B series" since a B20 vtec is a no go allong with K24 RSX's,

In the spirit of keeping the competition close and cost down I would like to see the displacements let OEM, but that would require extra policing ect.

I love the class, I love racing in it, now I just have to find a way to catch up :-/
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Originally Posted by E-Town4229
no.
why is there such confusion? this is a class that has existed for years. the rules could be worded a little better for those with reading comprehension problems but afaik a motor swap would be using a motor family that was never offered in a particular chassis.
-Roger
In the US.... Good choice of words Roger my friend...
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