look all iam saying is to put the allmotor payouts up to par with the rest of the classes.its really hard to go to some of these races and even if you win you cannot make expenses.if you think that the allmotor guys asking for more payouts are out of line then you really do not understand what it takes to run an allmotor car.and fontana had 20 cars, vegas had 14 cars and pomona had 25 cars

 

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I agree also. ALLMOTOR just doesnt have the right ring, for a Pro Class...

 

As mentioned, there is a dearth of advertisement for these events. Advertise, fill the stands with butts, fill the coffers-then maybe spread the wealth to the racers.

 

i think 1 good solution to the purse pay out situation would be to GET A PURSE SPONSOR.... find a company(or companies) that wil be willing to put up money in exchange for advertisement space.

meaning that which ever series has to put banners all over the stands,advertise their name in the magazines and ALL CARS have to run that sponsors name on a designated spot on the car. i think if it works for nascar and other sports,then maybe it should work for us.

 

I agree but is that our job to go out and find these purse sponsors?

 

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no it shouldn't be our job. it should be which ever sanctioning body. eventually something has to give and hopefully it will work in our favor. with so many teams and racers looking to get sponsors,someone in the right place and right time will see whats going on in our sport and they "MAY" want to throw their hat in the ring and help out with something like that.


Modified by BoogieDownBrown at 12:44 PM 11/8/2004

 

I wonder how much money Honda Tuning Magazine puts up to sponsor the class?

 

So what do you guys think is a fair amount to increase payouts in All Motor?

You are saying that if NHRA gave an extra $500-$1000 per race you would be more likely to travel the entire circuit? Sure it would make a difference...to the people that are already winning. It still wouldn't help the back half of the field...which is the people that are needed to fill the classes.

I just don't see how increasing the payouts a little bit would convince more racers to spend $20,000 more to travel the country.

 

If you paid people to qualify it would fill the class, not just in all motor but in all the pro classes.

 

here's the only thing that will make the payouts larger, are u ready for it???

fill the freakin stands..thats where the nhra and ndra gets there operating cash from...and when the stands are full large companys will come in...look at napa autoparts, they only sponser races in nascar because there name will get mentioned every damn time the announcer opens him mouth,,,,once again return investment is the only thing these companys are looking at weather its sponsering a team or a race...

untill all the blocks are in there place, there will be a lack of support from big buisness..

regards
james

 

You have the right idea autoraceparts.com. If you guys watch Powerade you will notice that everyone that qualifies wins money. We need the same here in sport compact. How much sweeter would it be to get 200 for qualifying and another 200 per round of elimination's. That is how the big boys do it. Hey even if you go out first round you have 200 to pay for your hotel. makes things allot better. Pay outs are good but help out the racers that don't win all the time. If they put some extra $$$ in those drivers budgets the classes would be more competitive as well as people would make the trips out of town knowing they would come up with something.

 

I agree with what you are saying but there is already class sponsors. Honda tuning magazine sponsors the all motor class and turbo magazine sponsors Hot Rod. This X amount of money I bet does not go fully towards these classes. I know people that promote racing events and they tell me that the race is payed for before the event even happens. This money comes from race sponsors. I don't think it would be too difficult to budget more money to these classes. In turn there will be more racers and in turn more spectators.

There is a large controversy on the domestic side with the team owners wanting more money because the NHRA, which is a not for profit org, is paying some of the corp officers large amounts of money. They feel it is also unfair and want more money funneled to teams.

 

Thank You Dov.

 

so, the question comes again, HOW do you fill the stands? HOW do you advertise more? You can't just say "more", you have to figure out what forms of advertising actually work. To the racers - how many friends / family members come out to the races and actually pay the gate fees? To the spectators - what would make you bring more friends / family along with you to the venue?

recognizing there is a problem with attendance is easy to do. The next big step is making the jump to the solution

 

as far as allmotor goes look at what we are getting now in nhra for a win it 1750.00 runner up 500.00 semi 125.00. year end 1st 8thou 2nd 3thou 3rd 1thou,now compare it to the other classes pro fwd a win 4000.00 runner up 1000.00 semi 500.00. year end 1st 25thou 2nd 10thou 3rd 5thou

 

But it cost about 250,000 to build a comp. pro fwd car. They deserve that kind of payout. Anything tube 1 of a kind car deserves a huge payout.

But I do agree, AM should get a pay raise.

 

even though am is competitive it doesn't look like they will raise it a lot just because the other classes will complain and then it is a chain reaction. well that is what i think would happen

 

kinda of off topic but what do you think is the average amount of money nhra or ndra makes at each race? Including race entrants, spectators, car show.

 

the nhra doesn't make money on the races they lose money on the sport compact series. that's why it's stupid to ask for increased payouts at this point.

 

if they are losing money then why do they keep running their series???????

 

mike there is tube cars in all motor so dont we deserve close to that kind of pay out to?

 

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but with factory trans...

I do agree, payout isnt as much as it should be for how that class has stepped up.

 

So what you are saying is that if they bumped the payouts up a bit...you would spend the extra thousands to travel the country?

"IF" a payout increase were to happen, I think it would have a better end result if it were distributed like Dov said.

And as far as all motor having a lower payout...thats the way it should be. It doesn't cost as much to build the car, it doesn't cost as much to run the team, and lets face it watching cars to 10s isn't nearly as exciting as watching a car go 7s @ 190. That class will come around and it will be exciting.

Pro Mod and Pro Stock don't pay as much as Funny Car and Top Fuel for this same reason.

Believe me I'm all for increased payouts...but the sport isn't ready for it yet. We are all the building blocks of this sport and we need to make sacrifices in order for it to grow. We can't compare sport compact racing to current Powerade racing...we need to compare it to NHRA 50 years ago.

I bet if payouts were increased in all motor $1500 a race...that nothing would change. The same cars would show up that would have if nothing happened. I do however believe that if they gave $200 to anyone who qualified that it would help a few low budget guys with gas money. But you are talking increasing payouts $3200 per race, per class. Thats quite a bit.

 

you kinda of sum'd up what i wanted to say but didn't because that might get some not so good comments. but it is true. It is way to early in the sport for a payout raise.

 

if you think it does not cost as much to build a top allmotor car you realy do not have a clue and as far as what it takes to run an allmotor car it cost as much if not more.and we allready get 1750.00 for a win and that would not even cover cost at some of the places that you have to travel to.