I'm getting some subs for my car now and maybe some speakers in the future. I'm also poor so I'm trying to save money hehe
I've heard that Sony is bad but after looking at their price... I have to ask why? I don't know much about car audio systems so can someone tell me why Sony is bad? Do Sony speakers sound bad? Do Sony stuff not last? Other Sony stuff like TVs and PS2s and DVD players are great to me, what makes their car audio bad?

 

Right, their TV's, home audio (decent) and other stuff is okay, but when it comes to car audio, thier target audience is the people who have used their other products and think thier great, so they buy the name (some could argue looks) and are sorely disappointed. Thier amps are highly overratted, subs lack SQ, and h/u's are all form and no function. (I've always thought that thier speakers aren't horrible, but there are other brands that are better for the same price) Looking for cheap, panasonic is better then sony, JVC's run cheap also. If your not way into car audio, or any audio then you probably will be happy with this stuff.

BUT PLEASE NOT SONY

 

oh ok thanx... but ummm what is SQ? and other than the fact that the sony amps are overrated... is there anything else wrong with them? Like would a 1000W Sony amp be better than a 800W Kenwood?

 

grab a set of infinity reference or alpine type S's and you'll be amazed. You can find them for semi-comparible in price to the Sony's

 

see why tho? people keep telling me to stay away from sony but then you don't explain why?... but adding on to my previous questions... how would new Xplod 1200W max subs (350 RMS) 4ohm compare to like a 400W max (200 RMS) 4ohm Rockford Fosgate sub... which one would be better if they are the same price? I know the Sony ones are overrated... but by how much?

 

sq means sound quality. If you really want tight bass for a GREAT price look at the infinity referance 12" 300 RMS Great sub yeah yeah yeah. Sony is not quality products

 

I have a Sony Deck... Seriously man stay away. I thought it was a good deal for $200 for a deck that plays MP3, obviously I didn't research for ****. If you actually sitdown and use the Sony decks on a daily basis, you'll figure out why everyone complains about them. There is no equalizer on this thing... if you consider fade, balance, treble, bass settings. Even on the upper end decks, you could find another brand at the same price and it would be much better. Sony's just look nice... wait I mean ugly and shiny.

Dave

 

The problem I have is with peeps that say Brand X is whack,when they
have limited experience with it. Listen Sony is great product...it has Hella
name reconigition (also known as Branding) and works great if you use it wisely.
( I also guess you guy have never heard of the "Rock The River Contest" an
annual event sponsored by Sony that give $6000.00 to the best Sony car system and bragging rights) The mobile gear is everywhere because its at that price point
that everyone can afford. So yeah the lines between Autosound and Mobile ES got
blurred in 2000...**** how many of you were buying the $2000.00 C90 vs the
$250.00 cd deck?..... the numbers dont lie.

Bottom line Any well known brand name product will work well as long
as its used within its paramaters.... Period. All you pinheads who take a
deck and hook up a pair of subs to the rear speakers and wonder why it blew
out and then claim that " Man Sony sucks...this is crap" need to be flogged.

Nuff said

 

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Bottom line Any well known brand name product will work well as long
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SONY'S paramaters SUCK, that is why no one likes them. All form no function, not a quality product. IMO if you can't hear the difference I feel sorry for you. I don't mean to be mean but the truth is the truth

 

there is a reason they sell sony at wal-mart.

 

Slam their low end gear all you want, but don't forget, they made one one the creamiest decks of time. hello...20 bit burr/brown D/A anyone ?

 

Jomo and Torridcivic.....where do I begin.

Okay since you chose this fight..okay I'm gonna finish it.

- I have been installing for almost 22 years as a PRO ( meaning I claimed
it as taxes....I was 10 when I started messing with solder and doing family and
pals cars out of my parents garage.)
- I have been MECP certified almost as long as the program has been in existance
( I need to retest )
- I have been witness to many trends and changes in the industry long before
both of you were twinkles in your dad's eyes.

Now on to Biz. Sony puts out a decent product. Period IF not would Sony
still be in Biz today. You can take there gear and build a system that would
sound better than the crap that leaves the factory every day. If Sony sucks
donkey *****...why would Ford offer it as an OPTION on the Focus
( speakers,deck,amp and subs ) and 5 thousand peeps buy it. Don't think
that it would happen.
I dont slam brand name product....why? Because it make me look like an *** period. Many of your first experiences with car audio was with Sony....
its at a price point where its affordable plus you see it everywhere Walmart,Sams,Costco,auto parts stores,feed stores etc. Like anything else
it has a place and when used properly its works great. No exceptions.

Now the problems I see are peeps who have no understanding of electronics
who use the gear improperly,have it fail and then swear..."man this **** sucks..
don't buy that product" yet it was owner error that caused the product to fail.
Do you remember Sony's statement system that cost $10000.00? I do and so
many others who are true car audio fans will do ( if they were around for it)
Its all about market share.....more peeps bout the 1st gen Xplod gear than ever
before...why cause color was introduced....every radio face was black/grey with
no form or difference. Now look at all the gimmicks we have now.

Sony makes a great product for the money....if thats what you want. There is
plenty of crappy off brand product out there......Kenford,Rockwood,American Bass
basically swap meet,flea markets drivel that one should avoid entirely.
You dont like Sony fine......but know the facts before you speak. I would fail
to if some knucklehead hooked up 6 4 ohm subs in paralell on amps bridged
terimanals when its lowest min impedance was 4 ohms. Many of you have done this and wondered why a product failed...lack of knowledge thats all.

Know who you are picking fights with before you speak....kinda wish
both your moms had swallowed you instead...

Laterz

 

Whoa, Audioroach, common why are you so hostile? this wasn't a personal arguement. I could go and point out all of your fallacies but that wouldn't do anygood because I am argueing the topic and not you. If you really have been doing audio stuff for 22 years you would know that sony products are not "quality" in the great state of colorado sony is the same price as alpine and eclipse. Seriously you would have to be deaf blind dumb and lame to tell me that sony could hold it's own against those names.

Okay I will give you the fact that you can get a sony upgrade in the focus, wanna know why. Ford contracts to the LOWEST BIDDER, yeah, and I think that other brands would be ashamed to put cheap crap in cars and call it an upgrade.

Sonys strengths. They don't cost much, they play CD's, and maybe have a color display (by the way what does that have to do with sound quality?)

Weaknesses: they don't cost much because they don't cost much to make, hence a cheaper less reliable product. ALL AROUND.

You cannot seriously tell me that you could spend 1g and get a sony system to sound better then an alpine system with 1g. LASTLY, THIS IS ALL MY OPINION DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY, If you truley believe what you are argueing then thats fine, you can put sony stuff in your car. But the point of this forum is to help other people, so now we know your opion, and this is my opion.

<U>SONY CAR AUDIO IS NOT THE BEST PRODUCT TO SPEND YOUR MONEY ON</U>

 

i personally don't like sony car audio except for their older ES model. i drool over the cdx-C90 and its processor. too bad it cost so much.

 

Okay guys....The point of this is why slam one product over another.
By slamming that product you only make yourself look stupid. A true enthusist
knows that every product has its place. I design and build systems every day
and proven time after time that there is nothing wrong with Sony product if used
properly. You know how many kids come to me with long faces because some
azz has told them Sony sucks and that all they have or can afford..I have them
leaving with smiles on their faces proud of what they have and waiting for the
time they can upgrade. The only way we are going to survive is to bring in new blood and educate them on the right way to design and build systems. I recently
took a kids sony amp and plugged in place of one of my customers cars which
has a wall of 12 12" subs and drove them all( much to the amazement of his pals)
with his 2 channel amp. Yes I have built small systems with alpine and sony gear
( a few others too) basically they all sounded sonically similar....when you compare
entry level to entry level.

Look guys I'm not some internet expert...I do this **** on a daily basis. I take statements like this and prove them wrong all the time. I can say the same about
Kenwood,Pioneer,Clarion,Rockford,Blau and Alpine as well. Why not pick on them?
They share the same basic circuit designs as Sony...so why aren't they crappy as well? All grear is the same till you get to the $400-500 plateu....thats where you
will start to see the differences in designs...its costs money to make a great
great product.....but then you so called audio guys knew that already?

Right....

 

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Okay I will give you the fact that you can get a sony upgrade in the focus, wanna know why. Ford contracts to the LOWEST BIDDER, yeah, and I think that other brands would be ashamed to put cheap crap in cars and call it an upgrade.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry to burst your bubble on this one. All because of an IASCA competitor
who works for Ford SVT (He drives a silver contour..can remember his name)
brought the idea to managment...and it was not with that platform. Every hear
of a company called Pioneer? and the Ranger Splash? It started it all.
Then came Mazda Protege and Kenwood. I see the trend youth and affordable vehicles. Please check the facts before you spew forth
knowledge......okay

 

I will agree that most Sony product do suck. I believe a long time ago when Sony had two very different lines of product, they had a very good product. They had the ES line as well as there normal line. They had a commitment to quality that was second to none. Really great products, both on the technical stand point and functionality. I think as mentioned above that line go blurred. This is when the decline in quality began. Everyone wants everything for dirt cheap. Well something has to suffer. This is also evident in other areas of the ES line not just car audio. There home stereos have gone down hill as well.

My other gripe with Sony is the incompatibility amongst their own products. The company is so large that one department will design a standard, then another department will design a different standard with out considering the previous standard.

If everyone actually realised the engineering that goes into some of these product you would wonder how in the hell your getting it for so cheap. Try looking up a Phase lock loop on the internet. Try building one, it is basically the FM demodulator in a car stereo. You can buy one for about $0.50. I garantee most of you could spend 3 months trying to figure out how it works and still not get it to work.




Modified by nsxxtreme at 7:14 PM 8/13/2003