yea i drive a 96 honda civic dx hatch. i have a viper 300 esp alarm. the car has a manual tranny. can i add remote start to the car with the existing alarm as like a secondary fearture or whatever? i also have a proximity sensor. if i can add remote start how do i got about doing it? thanks


Modified by bigseth2468 at 4:55 AM 1/24/2004

 

If you don't know too much about it you should really get a proessional to do it. A pregnant woman here in NZ was recently run over by a driverless SUV which was remote started.

 

does anyone else have any ideas?

 

Most manuals don't have a neutral switch, Autos don't start in gear anyway.

 

You're right, they should have the switch. The lady was hit because it didn't have one.
If you don't wire it up properly you might hurt someone, thats why I suggested a professional.

 

i thought remote start on a manual car was illegal?

 

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Not here in New Zealand

 

*Sigh* I leave for soooo long, and come back to the same old same.


First off, I bet the RS that killed the lady was not designed for a manual tranny vehicle. Prolly just an autoRS with some kind weak bypass to make it for a manual ( ebrake relay to one of the cut offs?).
trust me, when done right, ( not to mention with the proper gear) they are just as safe as ones for automatics.

Second: manual transmission RS's are not legal in the US. You just need to find some one lawyer-proof enough to install it for you.

ps: whats JOMOs new name, so I don't get fished into his madness ?

 

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it is not illegal to install a rs into a manual, however it needs to be a unit that is designed to be installed into a manual... ie Clifford used to make a unit called the omnistart, as well as the solaris, and the avantguard that were designed to be used with a manual, as well as compustar makes a few models, and there are other companies (ultrastart-but I wouldn't recomend that one)

I have a Clifford avantguard on my Del sol since it used to see winters, and I have a Clifford omnistart on my winter civic

if installed correctly with a unit desgined for it than there is nothing wrong with it, the only legal issues ever raised is who will be responsible when one that isn't designed for a manual luanches and does damage and possibly hurts someone

 

ok all of this helps but can i add remote start as an add on to the alarm i already have. dei viper 300 esp and if so what do i need to buy and can i have some details on how to install it...thanks.

 

I've never heard of a manual designed rs as an add-on other than a clifford to be added-on to another clifford

 

There aren't any seperate add-on's as far as I know because most alarms will have a kill switch stopping it from starting anyway. You would have to carry two remotes and disarm the alarm before starting the car which might be annoying.
In my opinion it's worth buying a new alarm and paying for a decent install. If you want to DIY, buy the alarm and then come back here with a wiring diagram which will make it easier.

 

Most shops don't like doing manual starters simply because of the liability involved with them. If the remote starters were illegal then how could companies sell them?

Just like other people said.. manual remote starters are safer. Think about it. You have to put the car in neutral, pull up the e-brake, press the button, get out of the car and close the door. If you open the door at anytime it takes it out of ready mode and makes the remote start inoperatable.

I have a Code Alarm TW-1 in my car and love it. It is made for both auto and manual cars and have no complaints about it.

But Clifford IntelliStart IV are the best for the money that is saying you have a clifford G4 alarm that you can attach it to. I just put on in my gf cavalier and she loves it. Great Alarm with tons of features that she probably will never use, but it is the best starter/alarm that was for sale. The new G5 series I don't trust becaue well DEI is now making them

 

I don't think they're are any addons for a remote start system.

And about the safety, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE INSTALL. I have a clifford RS3 and the installer installed some kind of switch that doesn't allow the car to RS if the e-break isn't all the way up.

 

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DEI continues to be the benchmark in terms of reliability. You don't get to be number one by putting out products that break. Besides, DEI kept some key Clifford personnel to ensure that future products will continue to be innovative. If you take a close look at the G5 products vs the G4 stuff, there's not much difference - in fact most of the basic circuitry is the same.

BTW, I also like the TW-1 but did you know that Code Alarm is owned by Audiovox?

 

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And about the safety, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE INSTALL. I have a clifford RS3 and the installer installed some kind of switch that doesn't allow the car to RS if the e-break isn't all the way up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The rs3 isn't designed to be used on a 5spd, go out to an empty parking lot, put the car in first, pull up on the e-brake jsut enough so that the dahsboard light is on and watch that sucka jump...(btw might want to try this while your in the car so you can stop it faster)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigseth2468 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea i drive a 96 honda civic dx hatch. i have a viper 300 esp alarm. the car has a manual tranny. can i add remote start to the car with the existing alarm as like a secondary fearture or whatever? i also have a proximity sensor. if i can add remote start how do i got about doing it? thanks


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Here's an add-on piece designed for manuals.

http://www.designtech-intl.com...tep=4

I've worked with DesignTech units in the past and they've proven to be reliable. Another option is to use DEI's add-on remote start unit along with this product:

http://peripheralelectronics.c...s.asp (scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the NSS product).

BTW, did you do the install yourself or did you have a shop do it?

 

Yes you can install a remote start...many hook up to the output of the ebrake for safety...

If you run a kill switch or ignition kill...you will simply have to bypass the relay for the remote start to work...

The system I installed my system (old multi module system with a pager)...was a pain because I ran all the wiring under my drivers seat into a metal box to prevent hotwiring.

Kill switches are the same way...you will simply have a the kill switch circuit bypasses for the remote start to start up the engine...

if you have a fuel pump switch....use a relay connected to your -output (armed) of your main module.

If a few thoughts in design...you could set up a micro switch and a relay where your shifter is located so that if it is in first gear (the gear most people leave it in besides netural) it will not start.

Draw it out...what I had to do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by seppuku &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes you can install a remote start...many hook up to the output of the ebrake for safety...

If you run a kill switch or ignition kill...you will simply have to bypass the relay for the remote start to work...

The system I installed my system (old multi module system with a pager)...was a pain because I ran all the wiring under my drivers seat into a metal box to prevent hotwiring.

Kill switches are the same way...you will simply have a the kill switch circuit bypasses for the remote start to start up the engine...

if you have a fuel pump switch....use a relay connected to your -output (armed) of your main module.

If a few thoughts in design...you could set up a micro switch and a relay where your shifter is located so that if it is in first gear (the gear most people leave it in besides netural) it will not start.

Draw it out...what I had to do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can simplify the whole process if you use the right equipment to begin with. With the technology available today, the workarounds you mentioned are not necessary.

 

Sometimes the cost of the equipment out weighs the cost the time and effort to do it yourself

 

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Alarms are pretty cheap these days especially if you do the labor yourself. Besides, wouldn't you rather have a unit designed specifically for the intended purpose instead of finding workarounds? In your case you already have a setup that works for you so spending more money at this point doesn't make sense. Those asking advice on which add-on to use are probably prepared to spend some $$$ to get what they want.

 

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ps: whats JOMOs new name, so I don't get fished into his madness ?

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I don't know where he is. A few months ago I ran into a post he made on carsound that started a lot of $hit. I posted a link to it here. At that point he was lurking h-t with a totally different name.

 

I agree with you on that...if you buy a decent setup from the start...do it. I would never do what I did again with multiple modules...I'd buy a single module system that has all the connections built in.

 

a friend and i installed the alarm

 

anythings possible