With or without wings???

I would like to know what everyone thinks would be the difference between having the R wing or taking it off. I know stats say a 20%-30% downforce with wing at high speeds, which to me means anythign over 100mph. For those of you with the wings off and the rest that are smarter than me, what is the loss in removing the wing for on street and on the track....

 

The wing does not create downforce - it reduces lift.

There are probably no street related issues to taking it off - except for the 4 holes in your decklid.

"A Type R without its wing is like Superman without his cape"

 

um, that would be pads not tampons... anywho, back to the question. As prev stated it doesn't make downforce so much as reduce lift (in conjunction w/ the front lip spoiler). I've still got mine on but have been thinking lately about taking it off just to make the car a little lower profile

I would imagine negligible effect on the street but it might make the tail a little more loose at speed on the track... just my $0.02

 

Sorry my bad about the pads and tampons (no experience with them)
and I thought it was the same a to create a downforce and to reduce lift, doesn't it create downforce to reduce the lift, well it was what I thought. Anyone care to explain the difference between reducing lift and creating a downforce.

98401R-who learns something new everyday (in this case learned 2)

 

Any car (FF,MR,RR) passing through air creates lift at its rear end due to air passing over its top surface faster than the bottom surface. The flow of air is especially turbulent as it passes over the rearmost edge of the car. Adding a wing (or stabilizer) to the rear of the car can calm this turbulent air in a way by slowing it down somewhat as it passes over the car - this is how lift is reduced.

In order to create absolute downforce (in the rear), you must have an amount of downward force (or downforce) on the rear of the car that exceeds all the forces of lifting. In order to do this you need a fairly large surface area of wing and a fairly aggressive angle of attack on the wing. The Type R wing is not capable of generating downforce due to 1) its small size and 2) it's angle of attack (near zero).

Using large wings on the rear of a car can create downforce - but it also creates another problem called drag. This is where it becomes a science - you want to optimize lift reduction and yet reduce drag. Using ground effects on the undertray of the car (i.e. flat underside with rear diffuser) makes air pass underneath the car faster than over it's topside - which creates downforce as well - in a more efficient manner than causes less drag....

 

No personal experience here either... lived with one of my ex-g/f's for almost 4 years and now know more than I ever wanted to about **** like that granted she left with ton's of useful knowledge about cars and other "guy" stuff

 

I am in a constant battle between wingless and winged...when i take it off i think "it looks a lot smoother" then when i put it back on i think "it matches the front better"

needless to say i put it on/take it off a lot.

 

good reply. Very informative

 

I thought this thread was going to be about Celicas.

Yeah good post Big Phat R.

 

Feel free to ask me any girl-related questions! haha

 

Nah, the title of the thread was "tampon question," which is what goes in a *****.

A celica is what a ***** goes in.

lol

j/k celica guys. I have lots of friends with celica's.....

 

yeah, he is right,... the tampon question is with or without STRINGS

 

haha That's cruel.

Type R-eena - Thanks for the offer, looks like you have other experts to compete with.

 

I drove my car (no wing) and a buddies (wing) back to back last weekend. Can't say I could tell a difference, but I felt like a dork in his car.

 

street or track?

 

Street, and strait. I'll go out on a limb and say the wing does actually make a difference, but only at high speeds. The week after I took it off, I broke the rear end out in a sweeping right corner for the first time. It's hard to say.... just take it off. If you don't like it, put it back on. HTH

 

Celica - what?.....

 

haha
i took my wing off to see what it would look like in person because i had seen pictures, with my car being stock height, wingless just made it look out of place, i have seen wingless pics that looked very sleak but most of those r's were lowered, of course this is all from a visual standpoint, read the above posts for technical information

 

I couldn't agree with this more!