I brought an ITR and now is time for OIL change but when I ask my local HONDA dealer, can I use something like MOBLE 1 OIL, they insist NO because the TYPE-R need the special R OIL from HONDA, any ideas on that, I personally think the MOBLE 1 oil would be better then the so called "R" oil from HONDA?

 

Please use the search function as this question has been asked many times before.

Mobil 1 10w-30 is the only oil for me.

DV- who doesn't trust dealers

 

I suggest don't switch to synthetic until 10000miles.

Mobil 1
5w30 winter
10w30 summer
possibly some other brand 15W50 for racing.

 

This topic has been brought up numerous times. I believe the consensus is to wait untill after your break in period, then switch. I use Mobil 1 as do most others here.

Oh, and there' no such thing as special "R" oil.....

 

What is the break-in km? I have already done around 5500km for my car and i being pushing it hard too? Can I change the OIL now?

 

Yes

 

Where did I get the idea?
From the 50 oil threads where 5,000 people respond with: "Mobil 1 5W-30 "

I didn't say everyone George.

Also, I use oil, and don't care.


[Modified by sackdz, 8:51 AM 12/7/2001]

 

mine has "special type R oil" adds hp just because it's type R oil... ha ha ha

i use mobile non synthetic.

i wouldn't trust my dealer if they told me about "special type R oil"


[Modified by ITR764, 9:31 AM 12/7/2001]


[Modified by ITR764, 9:32 AM 12/7/2001]

 

I have used Mobil 1 10w-30 for the past 2 years in my Civic Si and now my R. Have also used Redline 10w-30 which is more expensive. I love the Mobil 1 though and both cars have yet to burn any.

 

My friend and my car started burning oil after switching to
synthetic. We switched back to non-synthetic and waited
for more than 10k and now the cars are all good. No more
burning oil even with synthetic. That's my experience.
Some motor rebuilders also suggest not to switch to synthetic
until 10000miles or 20000miles.

 

I think a lot of people that use switch to synthetic also think they can leave it in their cars longer before changing it. That's probably why they don't recommend it. Synthetic oil has better detergent qualities, better temperature stability, better viscosity stability and works far far better in cold weather than mineral-based motor oils. They are superior in quality - but you have to change the oil just as often.

 

http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed....-overview.html

http://www.swedishbricks.net/700900F...%20Oil%20Notes

That's why I use synthetic....
Synthetic provides better protection for the engine during high revs, wide temperature range... People have the misconception about synthetic thinking that they would rather use regular and change it more often.

The outcome of:
regular oil, change it more often NOT= synthetic and change it not as often

However, I do find that cars over 10000miles react to synthetic oil better. My friend's cars including his TL and integar have leakage and burning oil problems after switching to synthetic too early. The problems are gone when he waited for the car to run a little longer.


[Modified by citanest, 7:58 AM 12/7/2001]

 

I change my oil every 3000, no later.

Jason- who will change his oil after VIR even though he has just 1750 at present

 

I'm not quite sure what we are trying to accomplish here. Are we discussing the best motor oil to use or the propoortion of synthetic users to non-synthetic on h-t?
Just for the record, how many of those on this bbs that "do not" use synthetic also have neons under their car, chrome bling-blings, and a spoiler that could be mistaken for The Arch? I'll trade you unbased assumptions

I know nothing of Spoon's choice in oil, but I do know that synthetic oil does, as BPR said, have better properties and certain qualities that conventional does not, or is not able to include all desired properties in a "single bottle."

Personally, I don't mind using oil at the track, it is worth to me the peace of mind that I have synthetic oil which outperforms (most? all?)conventional oils.

Now, throw me in an enduro and then I may have to switch (I burn a lot)

Ditto!

Have a ball at VIR



[Modified by sackdz, 11:11 AM 12/7/2001]

 

I change my oil every 2000km, which is 1300 miles when using petrolium oil during the first 20000km or 13000miles

 

I change my Mobil 1 5w-30 every 2500-3000. Usually closer to 2500 because of the time lapse though

 

same here....

 

Pig Phat R> They are superior in quality - but you have to change the oil just as often.

Fer crying out loud. Not this one again. One of the main selling points of synthetic is that you do not have to change it as often. Anybody who uses synthetic oil AND changes it as often as convtentional oil is pissing their money down the drain. The *only* demonstrated benefit of synthetic oil is that it lasts longer than conventional oil (and it had better, its costs a lot more).

Synthetic oil is right up there with engine treatments and those magic magnets that you attach to fuel lines to add 10% to your fuel mileage. Probably does no damage, but is a complete waste of money. I have never seen a single peer reviewed independent study that demonstrates that synthetic oil is superior in any significant way to conventional oil in a road car. Anywhere. Ever.


[Modified by norice, 12:56 PM 12/7/2001]

 

Another thread that ends up in bitterness. Grow up people. If you're gonna argue, then argue, but what's with name calling?

 

What name calling?

 

Castrol GTX 10W-30 last summer and I changed to CAstrol Syntec 5W-30 Synthetic blend. I might try Mobil1 Syntethic 3 weeks from now. I change oil every 2k miles btw, Synthetic maybe 4k miles

 

This is from the American Automotive Association's (AAA) website:

Engine & Maintenance Problems
Which is better, synthetic oil or conventional oil?

There is a great deal of debate over the use of synthetic oils. Generally, those people who regularly use synthetic oils regularly swear by them, and those who use conventional oils swear by them. For most driving conditions, if you use a conventional oil and change it at the proper intervals, it will properly protect your engine. If your vehicle is subject to extreme conditions, such as sustained high speeds or high loads, extremely dusty conditions,<u> racing,</u> towing, use of a turbocharger, etc., the use of a conventional oil may not adequately protect your engine. The key is to use the proper oil change interval for your situation. Synthetic oils claim to allow a longer interval between changes. This claim is countered by those who point out that regardless of the condition of the oil, contamination from outside sources such as blow-by and moisture cannot be removed by filtering, and regardless of the lubricating properties of the oil, when contamination reaches unacceptable conditions, the oil and filter should be changed.
The main attractions of synthetic oil are its improved lubricating properties and extended oil change intervals. The trade-off for this is cost. Synthetic oils can cost as much as 4-5 times more than conventional oils. This cost increase can nullify the savings gained by the increased change intervals.

Another factor to consider is overall maintenance. If you have a repair facility doing your conventional oil changes for you every 3,000 miles, a trained technician is inspecting your car for potential problems. Your mechanic will be checking things like fluid levels, belts, hoses, tire wear patterns, under-car oil or transmission fluid leaks and other items that can help prevent breakdowns or expensive repairs. For example, replacing a weak coolant hose can prevent having that hose burst in traffic, with resultant overheating and engine damage. This type of preventive maintenance can greatly extend the life of your car. If you use a synthetic oil and only change it every 10,000 miles or more, then you are not getting your car inspected by that mechanic anywhere near as frequently, and problems may be more likely to develop between inspections.

If you are doing your own oil changes, then you need to be aware of these types of inspections and perform them yourself. If you do these inspections regularly every 3,000 miles, then you can possibly extend your oil change intervals by using a synthetic oil; however, keep in mind the problem of moisture and blow-by contamination.

Synthetic oils do lubricate better. However, given the high quality of today's conventional oils, the high cost of synthetic oils, and the other factors involved in determining oil change intervals (and therefore cost-per-mile), there may not be an advantage in using synthetic oils for normal operation. If you are putting a lot of stress on your oil, however, you might consider a change to synthetic oil and staying with a short change interval. This will provide the protection of synthetic oil, although your costs will increase. Those costs should be balanced against the possible cost of premature engine repairs due to excessive wear from harsh operating conditions.

There is no easy answer to the question of conventional vs. synthetic oils. The answer depends on your driving, your maintenance, and your personal preferences. Generally though, if your vehicle is subject to extreme conditions, synthetic oils might well be worth looking at.

 

I am sorry but this is just undigested conventional wisdom and repeats the two primary unsubstantiated assertions that I read again and again in these articles:

1. Conventional oil 'may' not protect under all circumstances. Really? Where is the evidence for this? Says who? It is really rather remiss of Honda to sell me a car with oil that does not protect my car throught the full range of its possible operating parameters.

2. Synthetic oil protects better than conventional oil. Again this is a completely unstubstanited assertion. While synthetic oil has better measurable properties than conventional oil, I have not seen a single study that shows that these enchanced properties (apart from longevity) matter a damn in a road car.

As I said before, I have never seen a single peer reviewed independent scientific study that demonstrates the need for using syntehtic oil in a road car.


[Modified by norice, 2:20 PM 12/7/2001]

 

There you go right there. Longevity. Retains it's protective properties longer. There's a reason right there, synthetic is better.

 

If synthetic cost the same as conventional, then yes. However it costs up to five times as much. Its protectant properties last about twice that of conventional oil. You do the math.

The math are of course even a little more interesting if you change your synthetic oil as often as conventional oil.


[Modified by norice, 2:30 PM 12/7/2001]