I always wonder why people subframes rip with rear swaybars? Why can ITR's run 22mm rear sways stock and I dont think they rip their subframes....so why do we? I'm not sure and would like to know, what does the swaybar attach to, does it connect to the trailing arms or LCAs? If so then would putting on those parts from a car with a larger rear swaybar stop the problems?

 

If you've ever looked under an ITR, you'd immeadiately have your answer. An ITR subframe is extremely more "meaty". It's a far larger and stiffer assembly, thus having much more reinforcement already built in.

 

OH OK.....now I think I get it. The swaybar attached to the subframe and not to the LCA's......so when it breaks, it doesnt matter what type of LCA's you have....only the subframe matters.

So.....since I have a 5th gen hatch...could I simply bolt on an ITR subframe? How much do those cost? Or are they outrageous and it would be better to just buy soem reinforcement plates and the comptech sway/tie combo?

 

umm...
1. not easily.
2. A LOT (unless you do it yourself)

as far as getting it done, go to this website. It will give you the exact part numbers and items you need to put on a ITR swaybar and NOT cause damage.

Beaks' ITR Rear Swaybar Reinforcement Kit (S.R.K.) Installation Instructions

 

if you are thinking of getting the itr rear sway just go with the comptech rear sway lower tie combo. heard many good thingas about that.

 

yeah, the comptech is nice, but its also pricey. ITR setup can be done between 60-120 bux range.

 

Thanks alot for the replies, so if I got the comptech sway/tie combo, would I still need the beaks kit?

 

Thanks for this post, I just priced the ITR sway bar out at acura

 

If you get the Comptech setup, you do not need the Beak's kit

 

How much did you price it out at acura?

BTW, since I am going to get the integra rear disk conversion soon, and lets say I am purchasing the Comptech package, I would get it for which car? For the civic, or for the integra, since I'll have the integra trailingarms and lower control arms?

 

The cause of subframe tearout is when the larger swaybar is mounted AWAY from the subframe. When the swaybar is mounted in this fashion, the swaybar is able to exert torque on the subframe and this stresses (ie. flexing back and forth) the mounting points and eventually causes the mounting points to pull away from the subframe.

As with anything, an increased amount of leverage makes it easier to do work. This is governed by the lever law: force x distance = torque. As distance--or the length of the lever--increases, the resulting amount of torque also increases. (This is why it was easier to move your big brother on the teeter-totter when he moved towards the middle and you stayed out on the end. You enjoyed increased leverage at the end, while he suffered from reduced leverage near the middle.)

The proper way to mount a large swaybar is to mount it DIRECTLY to the subframe (eg. Integra Type-R - see picture below). This prevents the torque and stress on the subframe. Go to my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/bretq/swaybar_install.html for instructions for installing the Type-R rear swaybar DIRECTLY to the subframe. Below is a picture which shows the Type-R rear swaybar installed on the my '94 GS-R (notice how it look nearly identical to the Type-R)

Picture of Integra Type-R:


Picture of a non-Type-R Integra with the Type-R rear swaybar installed:


Larger image: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...d.jpg.orig.jpg

 

If you order the parts from http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.net the cost total cost for the Acura parts will be approx. $85 shipped (see below).

94050-08080 NUT, FLANGE (8MM) $0.08 (need 2)
90175-ST7-Z00 BOLT (8X35) $1.94 (need 2)
52316-ST7-Z00 BUSH, STABILIZER END $1.38 (need 2)
52315-ST7-Z01 BUSH, RR. STABILIZER $3.50 (need 2)
52308-SS0-000 HOLDER, RR. $4.76 (need 2)
52300-ST7-Z01 SPRING, RR. (22MM) $56.18

Subtotal $79.50
Tax $0.00
Handling Charge $4.95
Total $84.45

The only other item you will need is a Type-R rear swaybar mounting/reinforcement kit which allow the Type-R rear swaybar to mounted DIRECTLY to the subframe. I sell my reinforcement/mounting kit (aka. BSQ mounting kit) for $20 shipped. You can go to http://www.geocities.com/bretq/mounting_kit.html for further information.

So for a total price of approx. $105 you can have a 22mm rear swaybar (same size as Comptech's). A outstanding bargain when compared to the Comptech tiebar/swaybar combo (~$379).

 

I got all this stuff from A&H motorsports last week for a total of $99 including shipping (just a bit less than the comptech deal ). It all came in 4 days, no problem. My site is now updated and has some pics and stuff about the install if anyone wants to check it out. I mostly just used BSQ's instructions though

 

the comptech one is a good choice if you dont wanna worry about the rear sub frame rippin off. that is due to the fact that the comptech one uses the lower tie to help it mount onto the subframe. i have never heard of the comptech one rippin off. if you wanna alternative to the itr one but cheaper in price go with the skunk2 (22mm I beleive).

 

Also, keep in mind, that the Comptech unit has the built in rear lower tie bar. So, your price comparison isn't exactly correct. Even having said that, the Comptech is still more expensive, but the quality is second to none...

Reefer_Bob.

 

JFYI, there have been no reported problems of subframe damage with the Type-R rear swaybar when installed according to my installation instructions.


I would high discourage using the Skunk2 22mm rear swaybar. The reason being, is because the Skunk2 uses mounting brackets which mounts the swaybar AWAY from the subframe. I have read several reports from people that have experienced subframe tearout with the Skunk2.

 

I would agree with you 100% on the Comptech quality. My point is that the Type-R rear swaybar will give you nearly identical performance for less than 1/3 the price of the Comptech.

Also, if anyone is interested in reading some feedback on the Type-R rear swaybar, go to https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=153278 .