This is two anyone who has driven a non vtec and vtec honda... which do you prefer? I personally would choose non vtec for most situations...

 

vtec for n/a

non vtec for boost

 

Without V-TEC would there be honda-tech?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IC33 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">vtec for n/a

non vtec for boost</TD></TR></TABLE>


whats your reasonin behind that statement?
Vtec cars make more power NA and Boosted mod for mod. It all comes down to flow. Which the non vtec heads dont do so well at.

 

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true

 

Nothing's better than the frightened look on someone's face when you bang VTEC while passing them with an open exhaust.

 

go with the V and only the V-tech

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HONDA_TYPE_R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing's better than the frightened look on someone's face when you bang VTEC while passing them with an open exhaust.</TD></TR></TABLE>


lol. man when mine used to open up in vtec, it really opened up. i miss those days. seeing people swerve when i passed them at full throttle. lol. seeing people jump when i blow off in their window

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats your reasonin behind that statement?
Vtec cars make more power NA and Boosted mod for mod. It all comes down to flow. Which the non vtec heads dont do so well at. </TD></TR></TABLE>

might wanna look into the P8R head if you think that

 

I can't say i'm unhappy with my non-vtec. I don't like having to hit VTEC to get some decent pickup and go.

 

also expenses in boosting vtec vs non vtec is ALOT higher....and i can back that statement up = )

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Scharged00GsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go with the V and only the V-tech </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lVlemphizStylez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also expenses in boosting vtec vs non vtec is ALOT higher....and i can back that statement up = )</TD></TR></TABLE>

how do you figure? where do you come up with this stuff. last i checked turbos dont cost any more for vtecs. I could be wrong though. I dont know much about turbos
show me a non vtec motor and a vtec motor with the same mods that have the same power. The vtec motors are already 20+35 more hp@fly wheel in most applications.
Its much more then the flow of the head too. cam profiles make a big diff too. to make an LS head even somewhat compareable to a vtec head you will have atleast $1500 into the head. And I still dont think its compareable.

If you can come up with STONE HARD facts and proof in your statements then I will agree with you, but I dont think your gonna find what your looking for. Most of the people who dis on vtec were the ones who opted to save the money to get a non vtec version due to money issues and convinced them selves with some money into it it will beat vtecs/. Just like the GSR's LS's that try to cinvice themselves ITRS arent that great. . . when in doubt they need to feel better because they more thna likely couldnt afford one and went with the lower model

 

I spent $700 in my head, and made more HP and a shitload more torque than a B18C1 has stock.

I can post dynos.

and ITR's are not the almighty **** either. Get over yourself.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I spent $700 in my head, and made more HP and a shitload more torque than a B18C1 has stock.

I can post dynos.

and ITR's are not the almighty **** either. Get over yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like always, there are always bias remarks on almost every debatable thread.
Just because you own a non-vtec head doesn't nessacairly mean they're the best (having only spent $700. WOW)

There are upsides for every application but, VTEC was developed for a reason... to help the engine breath better at higher RPM's, thus a higher HP output on the top-end only vtec motors have.

 

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how do you figure? where do you come up with this stuff. last i checked turbos dont cost any more for vtecs. I could be wrong though. I dont know much about turbos
show me a non vtec motor and a vtec motor with the same mods that have the same power. The vtec motors are already 20+35 more hp@fly wheel in most applications.
Its much more then the flow of the head too. cam profiles make a big diff too. to make an LS head even somewhat compareable to a vtec head you will have atleast $1500 into the head. And I still dont think its compareable.

If you can come up with STONE HARD facts and proof in your statements then I will agree with you, but I dont think your gonna find what your looking for. Most of the people who dis on vtec were the ones who opted to save the money to get a non vtec version due to money issues and convinced them selves with some money into it it will beat vtecs/. Just like the GSR's LS's that try to cinvice themselves ITRS arent that great. . . when in doubt they need to feel better because they more thna likely couldnt afford one and went with the lower model</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok number 1 dont tell ppl what they can and cant afford....number 2 i want to see you run 10 psi on your gsr stock block....there is a reason evos, wrx's etc have such LOW COMPRESSION...in fact its lower than an LS for an evo....i will get the exact compression if you want...thats why they can run over 15 psi and still provide the customer with a warranty!!!!.....so plz dont sit and tell me i cant find my facts...HIgh compression+High amounts of Boost=time bomb...if you contest that....then you need not argue anymore

and i wasnt dissing on vtec....for a boosted application i prefer a nonvtec ....mainly because i feel vtec was made with the N/A in mind...not FI

those facts you asked for....8.8:1 compression ratio for evo.....Compression Ratio, 8.2:1. for a WRX sti....there is a reason these cars can run 20 psi with a warranty and your gsr without lowering that compression would go within a few months running that kind of boost on pump gas.....could it be coincidence that their boost level and compression ratio are so similar???? i think not....compression ratio of a gsr 10.6:1 and i believe type r block is somehwere in the 11.6:1 range....

the whole idea behind vtec is making more power by upping the compression...vtec just allows them to up that compression more safely...(hence the oil it supplies to the head to reduce the friction)...which is why i say i wasnt made with FI in mind....

and to address your little financial comment....if someone can afford to properly boost their ls...they could have easily opted for a GSR swap or even Type R...so that statement is COMPLETELY irrelevant....


Modified by lVlemphizStylez at 6:11 PM 12/22/2004

 

My point was that posts in this thread are inaccurate, not that nonvtec = dashiznatownzj00

But speaking of inaccurate posts, yours is one of em.

VTEC is not for breathing better at higher rpms, its for street-ability. You don't need two separate cam profiles to breath at high rpms. But you do need two separate cam profiles to breath at high rpms and have a "comfortable idle".

You ever notice companies like toda create... *gasp* cams that REMOVE vtec?

Learn a thing or two before you jump into a debate eh?

 

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VTEC is not for breathing better at higher rpms</TD></TR></TABLE>


what??

VTEC = Variable Timing and Electronic Lift Control

More valve lift = more air/fuel = more breathing

I know I'm knew, but what ur saying doesnt make sense

 

VTEC = 2 cam profiles

You can run the exact same cam profile on a motor with out vtec. In fact the popular crower 404s are almost exactly the aggressive ITR cam profile.

VTEC is just a fancy way of saying "lock the rocker arms, and having a third cam lobe"

 

solution,
LS/Vtec
or B20/Vtec
best of both worlds.

 

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VTEC is not for breathing better at higher rpms, its for street-ability. You don't need two separate cam profiles to breath at high rpms. But you do need two separate cam profiles to breath at high rpms and have a "comfortable idle".</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have a point there sir, but why praise a non-vtec head when after all, your car will be bogging after you've thrown on your **gasp** "TODA cams" anyway.

We are talking about stock heads here guy. Not your BIG cams.
Yes, vtec is streetable... why? To help idle smoother at idle true, but also the higher lift lobes to put out those extra hp's because of the secondary taller lobes which non-vtec heads lack.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spectrum24x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">solution,
LS/Vtec
or B20/Vtec
best of both worlds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you sir missed the whole point of what these guys have been arguing

and it is not the best of both worlds....the swap just raised the compression....so again...its same boat

 

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We are talking about stock heads here guy. Not your BIG cams.
Yes, vtec is streetable... why? To help idle smoother at idle true, but also the higher lift lobes to put out those extra hp's because of the secondary taller lobes which non-vtec heads lack. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why even argue stock for stock?

That is a beyond pointless arguement.

Of course vtec heads are going to perform better out of the box, they had better if they are going to cost more.

Its like arguing that an ITR is better out of the box than a GSR, and thats the end of the arguement. Of course it is stock, it costs more, it was designed too. But that doesn't mean you can't modify a GSR to outperform even modified ITR's.

 

gotta keep in mind honda didnt create these cars to be boosted and built....hence the performance models of cars they make to suit those needs

 

Go VTEC or nothing. VTEC ultimatly makes more power. I once read in SCC that VTEC is Honda's way to offer F1 technology for the street car. I have a 94 GS-R Turbo and there is nothing like popping VTEC and spinning the tires and feeling the power change. I have also driven a buddys LS and it is nothing compared to the GS-R. It doesn't have the "Power Band" that the GS-R has.