I need some recomendations for my suspension setup, i'm thinkin of goin for Ground Control Coilovers with Koni shocks, i'm guessing this will be around 600 for parts, does anyone recomned something better for around the same price, and also, is a camber kit necessary?

 

A camber kit is necessary after a 1.8" drop as it throws you camber all out of wack. Although some people don't mind bad camber and buying new tires.

Why GC/Koni though? Why not look into Teins or some kind of full coil over more pricey but more adjustability.

 

How is your car going to be used? Daily driver, drag warrior. autoX junkie, etc? Base your decisions on function - why spend a lot of money for adjustability if your car will never see the track or ever need to be adjusted? Things like that....

GC/Koni is very popular and I'm sure there are only good things about this combo.

 

daily driver, I probably will adjust them during the first few weeks i have them, and then leave them alone, I heard that Koni's are very comfortable, do you know who has the cheapest price for GC's and Koni's?

 

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GC/Koni is very popular and I'm sure there are only good things about this combo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree... very many people on this board have this setup... but i believe you need teh particular GC"s that will fit on teh koni's. So please specify that when u purchase. And how much do you intend to drop with this setup? That will play a factor in whether or not you willl need a camber kit. Many will argue that you do not need one at all, but in my case i did, and for a drop of more than 2" i would recommend one. I'm partial to the skunk2 camber kit, if you're takin recommendations.

-Eric

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by milanoGS-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I need some recomendations for my suspension setup, i'm thinkin of goin for Ground Control Coilovers with Koni shocks, i'm guessing this will be around 600 for parts, does anyone recomned something better for around the same price, and also, is a camber kit necessary?</TD></TR></TABLE>

600 bux? You gotta be kidding me.

GC coils cost $399 for custom cut spring rate $299 for just the usual linear crapy rate for daily driving. Add $40 bux since you want to get Koni shocks for the adapaters.

Konis are about $350 bux for the reds/specials and $580 for the yellows.

Yes, it's recommended that you get a camber kit.

Skuk2 / King Motorsports $180-200 front
Ingalls / Eibach rear - $120

You are looking about a grand give or take a few.

Well worth the money IMO. Make your car so much more enjoyable driving.

 

im just wondering..what spring rates do you guys recommend for a bad *** set-up (gound controls)??? For mostly street (but dont mind a harsh ride) with occasional drag/autoX???
i dont know anything about suspension, but i hear the regular GC are too soft..so you gotta get custom specs...i hear Skunks have good specs but crap springs..448lbs? ive been seaching ) but im not sure about the rear specs but i guessing they're softer...but i was thinking if i get GC's with 450lbs fronts and 450lbs in the rear so i could launch better..would that be any good..or right??? help?
edit: sorry if it seems like im stealing your thread milanoGS-R, i was gonna make my own but this ones about suspension and maybe we both can learn....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 10K2HVN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i was thinking if i get GC's with 450lbs fronts and 450lbs in the rear so i could launch better..would that be any good..or right???</TD></TR></TABLE>

Depends. What you do. If you do a lot of street/drag racing. You'll want a larger spring rate up front so that the power transfer doesn't go into other things, it'll go to the ground for traction where it's needed. Hence 525 F / 450 R

Road Racing / Auto X setup would consist of a high spring rate in the rear, so that the back end of your car would be a bit lighter in the turn. Yet the front end is able to maintain the traction it needs in the apex of the turn. Hence 500 F / 600 R (that's a pretty ferice spring rate!!!)

A lot of SCCA Pro racers like Roger Foo and such run 1000 F / 1200 R. If you run something like that, you better know how to drive.

 

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600 bux? You gotta be kidding me.

GC coils cost $399 for custom cut spring rate $299 for just the usual linear crapy rate for daily driving. Add $40 bux since you want to get Koni shocks for the adapaters.

Konis are about $350 bux for the reds/specials and $580 for the yellows.

Yes, it's recommended that you get a camber kit.

Skuk2 / King Motorsports $180-200 front
Ingalls / Eibach rear - $120

You are looking about a grand give or take a few.

Well worth the money IMO. Make your car so much more enjoyable driving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Group buy Center has GC's with custom rates for 320 shipped - and Koni Yellows for 518 shipped. Either way - you are still spending a g or so - camber kit wise - you can get an ingalls front for 130, and do the rear washer trick yourself for free.
Just giving some more cost effective (but obviously still expensive) options.

If you simply want a comfortable setup - just get H&R Sport Springs and KYB AGX. I had those for the longest time - but I am starting to autox and road race now and im going GC/Koni. This will save you like 500$. The GC/Koni combo is the best suspension setup short of full coilovers - and they even compete with full coilovers on many levels. They are not a necessity if youre not going to track the car.

Already have the Koni Sp3s on -- and damn, they are significantly better than the KYBs.

 

Wow, Thanks for the info P1mpSlap!
..youve given me a basis for Drag, AutoX and Real racing...and now that you tell me 500 f and 600 r is pretty ferice and 450 (skunk) seems pretty streetable mayby i should go with 450 front and rear..seem ok?
Oh, i just remembered! i had another idea...
-Does anyone know the Front/Rear Weight ratio of an Integra is???
..cause i was also thinking..let say the F/R weight ratio was 60% front, 40% rear..and the Front spring spec was 450lbs. Then with the weight ratio in mind make rear springs 20% less stiffer in the rear....what do you guys think?
..i dont know if im doing this right but if you catch my drift..i need to think about this more.......

 

TEIN

But it will cost you a bit more. I wouldn't buy any other suspension.

 

I personally am probably going to go with a 400F/350R setup. Good for daily driving, moderately long trips, and auto-x. Plus it doesn't have a natural oversteering tendency so it's good for n00bs too!

 

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I am using 450F/400R for my daily/occasional autox car

 

ive been searching on the web..is this right?
"Skunk2 Coilover System
The ultimate in ride height adjustability, these threaded coilovers are CNC
machined for precision and durability. Skunk2 matched spring rates provide
exceptional handling, response, control, and balance. Spring rates of 400lbs
in the front and 500lbs in the rear make for superior handling. Skunk2 Drag
Launch springs are also available, with a 400lb rate in the front, and 900lbs in the rear. Drag Launch Kits and Street/Strip Kits are offered for Civic/CRX and Integras only."
from: http://www.9krpm.com/9krpm_flash/store_skunk2.html

 

i need some sleep...
..so which one is it..?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by badCRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe the Civic kit comes with a 300/400 setup and the Integra one is 400/500. As for the custom stuff, I'd say to call directly to find out. Sorry, I don't know the answer to that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;quote:&lt;HR&gt;I was curious about this also. I just got my Skunk2 coilovers and it's got a few numbers on the springs. Anyone care to translate? Here's the numbers:

Front: 0700.250.010
Rear: 0700.250.008

Does that mean 250lbs?&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

0700-means that they are 7" springs
250-means that the inner diameter is 2.5"
010-means they are 500ft lbs.
008-means they are 400ft lbs.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlegoman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Their listed in kg/mm. By my calculations:
6 kg/mm = 338 in/lbs
8 kg/mm = 451 in/lbs
10 kg/mm = 564 in/lbs
18 kg/mm = 1015 in/lbs

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaJon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are either 500f/400r or they are 400f/500r. I had thought that they were 400f/500r because they were more drag racing springs, and the stiffer rear rates would prevent rear end squat off the line, correct me if I'm wrong?

Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

According to TI.net the rates for Skunk2 coilovers are as follows:
500F 400R

 

Keep in mind that the rear spring rate will affect ride comfort more than the front. If you really don't autox or anything that much, have your rear rate lower than the front. For your purposes, I like WiggiE's setup of 400/350 - should be a good combination of comfort and performance. At the very least, using OTS koni's, stay below about 500lb/in as well. I have a 400/500 setup and I think I could use a bit more damping in the back, even with the koni's turned up all the way.

If you don't drop it that much, get a good alignment (0 toe) and you won't need a camber kit. There are several people on this board that get 20k+ miles out of a set of tires while having well over a degree of negative camber.

 

I got the Koni GC's off GBC a while back and didn't pay attention to the rates so I got stuck with 375/250 (asked after the fact ). This setup totally sucks for any kind of driving so I have to get some new springs asap.

Anyone know where I can get just the springs?

You definitely need the skunk2 kit up front and the ingalls in the back.

Also make sure and get a height adjustment wrench because the kit does not come with one.

Not sure if this still works but you can get the Koni Yellows off carparts.com and get the set of 4 for the price of 2. The shocks come in pairs in one box but their cart has per-unit pricing. AKA if you get 1 rear and 1 front, you will get the full set of 4.

I also read somewhere that you could get rebuilt Koni Yellows with a lower shaft so that they would have more travel for lowered cars like ours. It makes total sense as you will see when you install them. There is very little travel left on the shock.

 

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You can order straight from GC. Just give them a call. I just got my springs today that i ordered on monday, it's like 133.xx shipped for a pair. Not too bad.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boofster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got the Koni GC's off GBC a while back and didn't pay attention to the rates so I got stuck with 375/250 (asked after the fact ). This setup totally sucks for any kind of driving so I have to get some new springs asap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am curious as to specifically what is wrong with those rates? Granted they aren't very aggressive rates, but they are much larger than stock.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WiggiE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I am curious as to specifically what is wrong with those rates? Granted they aren't very aggressive rates, but they are much larger than stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its the 250 rear rate -- he will get nearly no rotation with that - I mean my H&Rs are 276/276, and it sucks. That 250 is hardly more aggressive than an ITR rate. Its just not balanced at all. We want to get more rotation out of our rears *typically, and with that rate he isnt handling much. He is just riding comfortably. Even with the ITR rear sway, he wont see great road race or auto x performance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neo1z &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its the 250 rear rate -- he will get nearly no rotation with that</TD></TR></TABLE>

When i had the progress coilovers on my car, i didn't have a problem with rotation. The rates on those coilovers were 350F/250R.

 

If you can't get any rotation with those rates, then you're doing something else wrong (be it driving style, tire pressure, whatever). I had no problem getting rotation on autox courses with KYB AGX's and H&R OE Sports, and I *think* those are only like 230F/180R.

 

I'm really not sure what you guys mean by "rotation"? I'm comparing the rates I got to what everyone says and mine seem way lower. I mean it does feel like the springs are too soft. Not sure why they even sell these. I am also comparing to my old civic's setup with the Eibach Pro Kit and the Koni's. It wasn't as low as I wanted but man did it drive nice. (BTW: GC's are down 2" and I have tie bars all around with stock sways)

I'm talking more daily driving bumpiness. The suspension as a whole does not seem to absorb as much as it should. AKA the "feel every pebble on the freeway". I actually set the Koni's down to 0. Maybe I'm getting old or something

So you guys think 400/450 would be good? Or wiggie's 400/350? What's the reason for having a higher rate in the back. I thought I'd autoX more but it's happening about 3 times a year now so I guess I'm leaning ont he comfortable side. I'm gonna call GC this week but not looking forward to re-assembling the whole setup.

 

I'm really not sure what you guys mean by "rotation"? I'm comparing the rates I got to what everyone says and mine seem way lower. I mean it does feel like the springs are too soft. Not sure why they even sell these. I am also comparing to my old civic's setup with the Eibach Pro Kit and the Koni's. It wasn't as low as I wanted but man did it drive nice. (BTW: GC's are down 2" and I have tie bars all around with stock sways)

I'm talking more daily driving bumpiness. The suspension as a whole does not seem to absorb as much as it should. AKA the "feel every pebble on the freeway". I actually set the Koni's down to 0. Maybe I'm getting old or something