newb question, i'm buying a set of ground control c/o's next week and some people tell me that I need only shocks and i've also heard that i only need struts. this set-up is going to be on my daily driven commuter car/weekend warrior. any ideas on what i need would be great!

 

shocks + struts = the same damn thing.

i would recomend KYB AGXs or Koni Yellows.

 

thanx

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StatGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">shocks + struts = the same damn thing.

i would recomend KYB AGXs or Koni Yellows.</TD></TR></TABLE>

strut bars??

 

a strut BAR is a BAR that goes from the top of each STRUT, to stiffin the chassis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StatGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a strut BAR is a BAR that goes from the top of each STRUT, to stiffin the chassis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my point exactly
your friend might have been talking about a strut bar vs shocks.
get the shocks first

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StatGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">shocks + struts = the same damn thing.

i would recomend KYB AGXs or Koni Yellows.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not really the same thing, but they both serve as dampers.

All Hondas 88-00 have shocks, not struts.

 

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Not really the same thing, but they both serve as dampers.

All Hondas 88-00 have shocks, not struts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmmm, then how can you have a strut bar on a car that doesnt have struts, shouldnt it be a shock bar, LOL.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StatGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmmmm, then how can you have a strut bar on a car that doesnt have struts, shouldnt it be a shock bar, LOL. </TD></TR></TABLE>Actually, they react the forces from the upper control arms, not the shocks. That's what happens when non-engineers get to pick names for things...

Sway bars control roll, they don't control sway. Radiators work by convection, not radiation. There's gotta be another dozen things that have names that aren't 'right'.

 

yeah I was mixed up when I first started with cars when people would say shocks and then someone would refer to struts, pretty much same thing

 

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hmmmm, then how can you have a strut bar on a car that doesnt have struts, shouldnt it be a shock bar, LOL. </TD></TR></TABLE>

YES you are 100% RIGHT! Everytime you hear "strut tower bar" on these Honda boards (except for newer Civics and RSX's), it's the WRONG term. Our cars have shocks, and shock towers, and therefore use shock tower braces or bars.

That's another good point about shock tower braces and the upper control arms. On our Hondas, during cornering, the lateral forces get transferred through the tires, suspension, and eventually the body thru the shock towers, since that's where the suspension attaches. Well, since we have a double-wishbone front suspension with upright coilover shock assemblies (yes they are coilovers from the factory, "adjustable coilovers" is the correct term for the height-adjustble units), the lateral forces are transferred through the upper control arms and into the shock towers. These towers could flex if a stiff suspension is used and no brace is in place. So what would be the best place to attach an upper shock tower brace? The upper control arm mount points seems logical. Trouble is the only bars I've seen made like this is the Neuspeed 4-point bar and the new JG Edelbrock 3-point bar which attaches to both the upper control arm bolts AND the upper shock mount points. The factory tower brace and aftermarket braces that attach to the upper shock mount bolts or the factory mount bolts are probably not as effective as one that bolts directly to the upper control arm bolts.

Okay now back on topic.