my teg was totaled and looking to get another teg. i was thinking about swapping the engine to b18c5 but is it really worth it. how much would it cost to rebuild a gsr or ls engine? and thinking about getting a ls. lot of people are telling me to get a gsr but i was thinking if i swap a engine why not just get ls. cheaper and less insurance. any opinions? i am going with turbo after i rebuild or swap a engine also. which one does everyone prefer? post some opinions it would be alotta help

 

anyone?

 

Whatever fits your budget, LS and save a little more money to build a reliable boosted engine and extra money left over for suspension

 

Why do you need to rebuild the engine just beacuse the car was totaled?

It would only cost a few hundred in parts to rebuild an engine, more in labor.

 

the car was TOTALED so they towed the car. and i did not buy it back because it was no point. and with the money i am getting from insurance, im thinking about buying another teg. i duno if LS or GSR. then i wanted to do a ITR swap into that but i was wondering how much it is to rebuild the engine. still havent decided yet but def will go turbo. ITR engine usually cost around 4000-4500. i was wondering if i should get a gsr or ls and rebuild the engine. also i dont know the cost of rebuilding engine. i know its lot of labor but how about $$?

 

buy a LS, build up the engine to handle lots of boost, then turbo it. swaping to a b18c5 then boosting is a total waste of money. a built LS will be able to handle lots of boost.

 

is this gonna be a daily driven or a full race car ??

 

daily driving kinda. how much would it cost to rebuild the engine? wouldnt it be better for me to get a gsr then rebuild that engine instead of LST? since gsr already have vtec in it. this will be my daily driver but i trying to set a goal for 12's(faster then EVo)
oh yea also. what do you guys prefer? im debating either i should get a ls and rebuild that and turbo it, or get a gsr and rebuild and turbo it, and my last choice get the teg and drop a b18c5 and turbo it. someone HELP me decide


Modified by iNtoXicaTedSPOON at 5:05 PM 8/1/2004

 

well typically, when u r turboing an engine, vtec really does help out that much any more. vtec is really nicer for NA builds where the engine has high compression and really needs to rev high. but when u turbo a car, u will want to lower the compression so u can run more boost. so really if u r guna boost enough to make a 12 sec car, there would be much more crap to deal with on a gsr than an LS. and an ls will be cheaper to start with too. i would say put at least 3000 into the engine rebuild, make the bottom end bullet proof, sleeve the block, new rods, and lower compression pistons, get new cams and stronger valvetrain, larger injectors, then boost the **** out of it and get it properly tuned.

 

thats what i was thinking also. if im going with turbo i have to lower the compression. but didnt know how much it is to rebuild a whole engine. i guess 3000 will do like you said. also i prob buy a ls and drive it around for while until it is almost dead. would that matter if i was rebuilding the engine? i thought it shouldnt really matter cuz im rebuilding it. im a newbie so give some good advices

 

really just depends what u break when it dies, lol.

 

you dont have to have real low compression to run turbo. i have a gsr w/11.2.1 compression pistons and i will be running 10-12 pounds. there will be no turbo lag, it will take about 200 rpm's and the turbo is at full boost. so if ur racing another turbo car ur 6-7 cars infront of him before his turbo is at full boost. if u are going to rebuild ur motor do it ur self, look at it as nuts and bolts.

 

also, the gsr and type-r motors have oil squirters that squirt oil at the bottom of the piston to cool it off, and when rebuilding ur motor honda crank and rods are going to be just as strong or stronger as aftermarket. honda knows what they are doing, they dont build crap motors. the only thing i would replace in the head would be valve springs and valves-if it has alot of miles. something like 150,000 or more, heres my list of parts on my motor
wiseco 11.2.1 pistons with rings $500.00
B18 block guard $110.00
this is the only aftermarket parts i have on my motor besides the turbo.
the block guard is just like a sleve but not as extreme. it fits between the sleeves and the block to keep the sleeves from moving, cracking, expanding ect. it strenghtens it up, also its just about impossible to blow a head gasket hopefully i helped u alittle. good luck

 

thanks for the advice. i am thinking about doing the work by myself or a friend. i know it will be tough but im pretty sure it will pay it off. any good sites or books you guys can recommand? i guess i will be going ls-t. would there be alotta difference between ls vtech t and ls t? im thinking there shouldnt be. maybe a lil. i asked because alotta people are telling me LS vtec and turbo but i really dont think theres much difference. i would rather spend more money to lower the compression then spend it on vtec

 

n e more advice?

 

one thing is for sure, lsvtec turbo would be a big waste of money, and would require twice as much work if not more. but really u can make just as much power if not more with a LS-t than with a lsvtec-t for much less money, and probably half the work. LSvtec makes a great NA engine, even better than a type r, but would be a waste of time and money when going turbo.

 

ya man... go ls-t. lvtec-t would be a big waste of money. no need to get v-tec if your boosting. gl

 

Here is your options:

If you get an LS. You will save money on the GSR. However, the head doesn't flow nearly as well and the tranny is **** (gearing is way too long, unless your putting down serious power). Also, the oil squirters were mentioned above.

However, the LS will save you quite a bit of money. Its your call. Remember your going to need to rebuild it, then turbo it and also have money for a suspension setup. Thats quite a bit of cash...I hope you know what your getting yourself into.

If I bought an LS. I would turbo it and run it on a stock block (250-300whp range). While doing this I would save up for the money to rebuild it and to get a better tranny. Also, I would getting my suspension installed before my turbo kit setup. This way here I went in order and didn't spend all the money at once. Plus maybe you'll be satisfied with the power on your stock block. If tuned correctly with a good engine management setup it can be VERY reliable.

Now if your getting a GSR your going to have a better flowing head, a high reving engine with VTEC. Also, its got higher compression. This all stated you won't have to boost too much to get very good power out of it. It can also be very reliable if tuned correctly with around 300whp on a stock block.

If you want more then 300whp then definately save up for a rebuild. Just make sure you understand your goals first and also you sit down and think about how much money this is going to take you.

I've got a boosted GSR with a stock b18c1 on a pieced together turbo kit. Im running 7.5psi and pushing around 250whp, its very quick/fast. Its pretty much perfect for the street because I can hook up pretty damn good. Especially since I spent a shitload on suspension mods. I beat a ton of cars with more power because they can't get traction and because my GSR only weighs 2,440lbs. Because I got rid of the AC, Power Steering, Cruise, Rear wiper assembly, etc. Power to weight is where its at

 

this is what i thinking about doing. i have around 7000. i was gonna buy a ls for 4000ish or more with low miles. then i was gonna save up for rebuilding the motor when the motor is weak. then rebuild it. the while im rebuilding it or afterawards. drive it around and save up for turbo and tune it at Inline Pro in Virgina since they do pretty good tuning around this area. the question is what would i need to do to make the engine run as if it was new? and how much would the rebuilding engine and turbo would cost? im not too familar so i need alots of help. trynna gather all the info before i do anything. also i prob do suspension work when im rebuilding the engine. thanks for the advice though

 

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i would have about 7G for the rebuild and turbo set up, 3ish for the new internals, 3 for the turbo kit, and 1 for all the other stuff u will probably need to get it running right.

im rebuilding my gsr engine soon, but not doing anything fun with it, just trying to get it to run like new again, im just replacing almost all gaskets and rings and doing a little valve work, im expecting to pay about 1500 when its all said and done. but as soon as u start adding things like pistons, rods and all that good stuff, the price is guna jump up quite a bit....

 

i would go to auto zone or somewhere and get the honda manual book. that is how i started learning everything. LS vtec is not a waste of money, no vtec is awaste of money. think of vtec of just being more air and fuel mixture, cause when u break it down that is all it is. more air + more fuel in the same combustion chamber = more power. also get ur car tunned with HONDATA.

 

u only get as much air as your cams allow, vtec is still dependant on cam lobes. so what really matters is the size of your cam lobes vtec or not......

as for hondata tunning, yea thats a good idea.

 

i prob get some book to read for rebuilding motor. i would rather spend money on internal or turbo then going with vtec. i was looking around 10k for my car so i guess thats about rite. with the suspension and exterior. i hope everthing works out perfect. if n e thing cheap pops up let me know