I am new to the Honda world but I have a DA Integra Hatch and would like some help getting more power out of it I would like to know my choices and I will compromise between a NA and Turbo build to get my target of 270 HP and at least 120 of torque.
Turbo should run on 9 PSI no more

any suggestions ?

Thanks

 

Well, your dilemma can pretty much be applied to all hondas in general. Either way, you should not compromise reliablity, especially if it's your DD. What are your funds like? &lt;&lt;It's usually best to know that before we can help you, although check the <U>link in my signature</U> for help as well as the Forced Induction section or All MOtor section of Honda-tech. This site has a ton of information on it.

 

You have to know how much want to spend on ur motor. Turbo is a eazy way to get more power quick.

 

I was thinking about a whole motor swap like a B18C type R motor I believe it is better to start with a better foundation to acheive my goal. I can afford $3000 to spend on it is it possible to do the swap ? what do I have to swap ?


Thanks again for your help I really appreciate it

 

$3000 might be enough to get you a B18c5 without the tranny, not enough for the ecu, axels, labor, etc. and you're going to want the tranny btw. For $3000 I'd get a b16 tranny, decent turbo setup (meaning kit and supporting mods), and a good tune to make sure it doesn't blow apart. That's your best bet if you want to make 270 hp for 3 grand in my opinion

 

Yeah, $3000 won't be enough for a complete B18c5 swap. People who have them love them, but it's probably going to be a few more thousand when you're all said and done. In your case, i'd probably turbo it. It's very possib;e for you to peice together a kit yourself for cheaper, although if you're unsure of you knowlegde of that, i'd 1) to tons of research (which you should do anyway) 2) buy a kit already peiced together. You might spend a little more, and some of the parts in the kit may not be exactly what you want, BUT everything's there and is good for letting you learn what you're dealing with.

Also, keep in mind that you have a motor a lot of people want, so i'd just work with what you got.

 

ok thanks for all your inputs everyone but here is the deal
one guy that I know always despises my cars. he thinks he can beat me with his supped up S14 (Nissan Silvia) with 290 horsepower so i thought the best way to beat him is by getting a car that's way lighter that him so that's why I got a DA which is much lighter than his RWD Silvia I know a lot about Ford's Zetec engine I could have beaten him with my 2000 ZX3 with 380 HP but he said that for the challenge only japanese cars should be used so that's why I need your help fellas
the DA is not my daily driver the focus is. so the work that I have done so far is lightning the car. I got rid of the insulation and the rear seats and many other plastic things. now what's left to do is work on the engine. my main question is that B18C5 capable of developing enough horses to beat the Nissan ? my total budget for this project is $10000 but i want to have the most horsepower efficient build. By the way I despise and HATE Nissans

 

Well you're on the right track so far...my only criticism of your post is that you still need to research more about turbo setups. You're still making the turbo n00b assumptions. I tell everyone this so dont be offended, but dont base your goals with a turbo setup in terms of PSI. If you want 270whp, you'll be just fine on the stock block. PSI only becomes a factor when 1.) you're running a MAP sensor close to it's limit and 2.) when you have to consider high pressure and it's effect on IAT's.

Most any run-of-the-mill turbo setup will safely make 300whp on a B series with a good tune. Check out the Forced Induction forum for more ideas. Also, if you need help or have any little questions, you can check the FI FAQ (at the top of the FI forum) or PM me.

Good luck

 

Thank you everyone for your help I really appreciate it.

yes you are right I do not know much about Turbos ( I am a NA, Supercharger specialist) BUT I do know that :

1. They have turbo lag depending on how high the pressure required to build
but I don't have to worry about that because the Nissan guy has a SR20DET so he has a turbo lag. so the key to win the race is to have as little lag as possible that's why I have chosen a pressure that's fairly low.

2. they tend to pressure hot air into the intake manifold so therefore I need an intercooling system, but don't you think that with all this piping, bends, the engine or the turbocharger for that matter will need to run faster to get the pressured air through the pipings ? and being an NA specialist I know that the more complicated your intake or your exhaust is the harder the engine got to work because at base a combustion engine is basically a airpump the faster the air circulates in it the more power it makes.

 

I guess i'm having a hard time understanding exactly what you're asking...

Yes, you need an intercooler in order to keep intake air temps (IAT's) down and yes it does add slightly to the lag, but with a properly sized turbo and a matched setup, lag can be minimized.

Also, when you're saying that you're running lower boost to reduce lag, that really doesn't make any sense to me. You're going to have the same lag to 9psi whether or not you continue to run higher boost. Yes, it will take slightly longer to spool up to a higher boost, but remember you're still making more power the whole time.

**I may be way off base with my explanation because again, i'm unsure of what you're asking**

 

Ok I might not formulated my question clearly : What is it required to do to BEAT the crap out of the Nissan S14 ?
can we acheive the smallest lag time with a smaller turbo? or and whether the B18C can acheive 270 HP and 120 ft of torque because this the first time I work on Honda engines

 

if your budget overall for the car is $10,000 and you're trying to smash a sylvia (hopefully on the track) then your going to need to need more torque (too much and you'll just spin wheels, look toward the top end to outrun him our smaller fwd cars love being kept at high rpm to make power) Do alot of research on forced induction setups for the 1.8L non vtec (there's some crazy ones on here) Build the b18b up according to your goal (balance the rotating assembly, pistons, stronger rods, injectors, block guard, fuel pump, sleeves, exhaust, intake manifold, valves, cams and cam gears, etc) and turbo it, make sure you don't comprimise on the suspension (ground control/tokico illumina setup is great) and ecu (hondata s200 has a launch control program to get the best launches possible) Just make sure you do alot of research before you go spending money all ***** nilly

 

you don't want a b16 tranny for a turbo setup, the gears would end too fast before you can actually start enjoying the power...if you can get a gsr tranny its perfect for a turbo setup if your gonna boost 9psi or over. b16 is the best choice for any all-motor setup, its basically like a type r tranny....good luck.

 

IMO any car benifits from the acceleration a shorter geared tranny would provide. The b16 tranny is great period, turbo or n/a, just make sure your setup doesn't have crazy lag and the shorter gears won't matter when your turbo reaches full boost.

 

In all seriousness, I wouldn't build my car based off of "the best way to beat someone in a race". There's so much more to the tuning world than winning some races.

For example, if this was to be your daily driver, i might think, "what's the best way to make everday driving more enjoyable while going to the track occasionally". Kind of random, but if that were your goal, than one possibilty would be a smaller to mid size turbo set-up where you won't have a ton of lag and would be able to "feel" your car in the lower RPMs.

Don't base your build off of who you can own in a race, especially because there's usually going to be someone faster than you.