does the rear on the 3rd gen integra have poor traction? the rear slipped out wildly tonight, just wondering if any of you have experienced this also, and how to improve it.
thanks

 

A list of your mods, current setup (ie tires, rims, suspension, brakes, strut/tie bars etc.) and what you were doing to make the rear brake out would help a great deal than jsut saying "my *** end broke out help me fix it"

help us help you man!

 

i experience this ALL the time

which is why i'm an advocate of stiffer spring rates in the front

 

dont lift off the throttle or brake in the corners... that is usually the cause of the *** sliding out on a fwd like that.

 

lots of people dont know how to handle the car after upgrading the Rear Sway bar. you can search and find some of these "holy Moly" threads in the archives. hee hee

 

I own a 2nd gen integra and i have had the same problem when you're cornering real fast and the rear swings in front before you can say "what the ****", yeah i know that is well i had a pair of shitty old bald tires on their and i though that was the problem at first but after getting new ones i noticednothing changed so i finally ended up having to throw a pair of extra bushings into the rear suspension giving it negitive camber, This makes the ultimat rear traction( but you may notice if the bushings are to large the tire will wear faster and unevenly, i just rotate the tire on the rim every so often)

 

I've never had my back end swing out...even with the ITR swaybar.

 

o v e r s t e e r

 

"poor traction" in the rear is a bad thing? Shiz, as long as you have traction in the front, you'll be fine. just don't lift or brake in the middle of a turn. If the back end does decide to come out on you, just get back on the gas.

 

Dont take this the wrong way, but learn how to drive.

ANY car will oversteer if you dont know what you're doing.

It's phyiscally impossible for you to swing the tail out on a FWD car if you drive it right.

How do you do that? Dont lift of the gas mid turn, dont brake while turning. Slow in fast out isnt just for RWD

 

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Sure

 

what's the rolling eyes for? Sure, having oversteer can be a little challenging, but you can keep control of the car with a little throttle manipulation. I'd much rather have oversteer than understeer. There's something about not being able to steer that worries me. Don't get me wrong, understeer is much safer for novice drivers, such as yourself, Jasper.

edit: Just realized, why would you ever put yourself into a situation where over or understeer would be a problem? You should NEVER drive in such a fashion so that lack of traction will be a problem. If you're driving that aggressively on the streets, stop before somebody gets hurt. If you're out on a track, then learn how to deal with over/understeer.

 

i've got the ITR rear sway and i've only had it slide out once. that was in the rain.

 

only time mine has slid out was in the snow or when I pulled the e-brake to make it brake loose

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Br1t1shguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont take this the wrong way, but learn how to drive.
ANY car will oversteer if you dont know what you're doing.
It's phyiscally impossible for you to swing the tail out on a FWD car if you drive it right.
How do you do that? Dont lift of the gas mid turn, dont brake while turning. Slow in fast out isnt just for RWD</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, this is exactly right. That's the only way a stock-ish Integra will ever slide out in the rear.

One other guy said it earlier too.

 

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I am going to assume you are talking about driving on the street, because I (and everyone else who autox's a FWD car) considers rotation on corner entry a necessary thing. Yes, it will and *should* oversteer at times, and that is driving it 'right'. Good for autox, baaaaaad for exit ramps.

 

actully you are very wrong and consider what u are saying before u open ur mouth...
telling him it is immpossible to swing the rear end out on a FWD if ur a "good" driver
Ive done it and well unlike u of course im no "Pro Jap Racer" but i can tell u try cornering at 60 Mph on a mild turn with negitive rear camber and little to none at all tread depth

&lt;But its cool, just dont be bashin' this guy here if u urself aint thinkin first&gt;

 

if you're a good driver, you'll never put yourself into a situation where that will happen, especially on the street. at an auto-x or other hpde, swinging the back end out will help sometimes. Also, about the "racing depth tires" that you're running, that isn't safe, even at in a controlled environment. You should get some new tires. If your *** is swinging out on a mild turn, you have problems. And why do you have to be Japanese to be a good driver?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by garados &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what's the rolling eyes for? Sure, having oversteer can be a little challenging, but you can keep control of the car with a little throttle manipulation. I'd much rather have oversteer than understeer. There's something about not being able to steer that worries me. Don't get me wrong, understeer is much safer for novice drivers, such as yourself, Jasper.

edit: Just realized, why would you ever put yourself into a situation where over or understeer would be a problem? You should NEVER drive in such a fashion so that lack of traction will be a problem. If you're driving that aggressively on the streets, stop before somebody gets hurt. If you're out on a track, then learn how to deal with over/understeer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

:lol: sure thing. Happy trails.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by garados &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what's the rolling eyes for? Sure, having oversteer can be a little challenging, but you can keep control of the car with a little throttle manipulation. I'd much rather have oversteer than understeer. There's something about not being able to steer that worries me. Don't get me wrong, understeer is much safer for novice drivers, such as yourself, Jasper.

edit: Just realized, why would you ever put yourself into a situation where over or understeer would be a problem? You should NEVER drive in such a fashion so that lack of traction will be a problem. If you're driving that aggressively on the streets, stop before somebody gets hurt. If you're out on a track, then learn how to deal with over/understeer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that's crap.....

 

When I was a 19 year old, I thought I was an awesome driver too.

Experience teaches you things that no forum will.

I don't know what roads you drive on out in New Mexico, but there are places I drive at speed with walls on one side and 1000' drops on the other with no run off room in between. Traction is always and issue.

 

At the age of 19, I KNOW I suck at driving, I KNOW I'm not the best, but I am better than 99% of the retards that think they're good. That's what seat time at auto-x's, lapping, and instruction that comes at high performance car control clinics and evolution schools gets you. They humble you first, then make you better, then you see that there are other people that will destroy you in a race without even trying. Most importantly, they teach you the limits of yourself and the car. I think that you think that I'm regurgitating stuff I read in the auto-x/road racing forum, but I assure you that I am not.

Anyways, the roads I drive on where traction is an issue is always a controlled environment, i.e. a track or a parking lot with cones where safety is the number one issue. That way, if I do screw up, I'm in the dirt, not 1000' off the side of a mountain or canyon. Here in New Mexico, there is a mountain that has a nice road that has the same dropoff as yours or even more. I've been up there and I have fun, but I have NEVER put myself into a situation where I have to worry about losing traction, especially if there is the slightest possibility that I will hurt myself or, most importantly, hurt other people.

With the "experience" you talk about and should have, I'm surprised you even continue to debate this issue with me. I hope you realize that when you worry about "will I have traction on turn", you're going too fast and you're putting yourself and other people at risk of being hurt.

As for Mr. Integra, please explain and expand on your comment. I hate to be left in suspense.

 

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As for Mr. Integra, please explain and expand on your comment. I hate to be left in suspense.</TD></TR></TABLE>

with pleasure

oversteer on an FWD isn't really easy to correct... sure you can probably correct an oversteer situation, but it'll cost you some lap time

understeer isn't always bad dependning on the type of corner.. sometimes you can understeer your way out of a corner while keepin your foot on the pedal

ideally, you want the car to be neutral.. since Integras are front heavy, you want stiffer springs in front to achieve weight balance.

on my integra, TEIN HA's + ITR rear sway, if i change use sticky tires, the rear always kicks out.. sure i can correct it with some throttle manipulation, but i always lose a sec or 2 for lap times..

 

Thank you very much, your insight is much appreciated. In my experience, it's understeer that slowed me down, while in yours, it was oversteer. I do agree that having a neutral car is best, but is very difficult to achieve considering that if the car is setup to be neutral, it's in the hands of the driver to keep it in that perfect state. I say that because if you get on the gas, you have understeer, and if you lift, you have oversteer. On a side note, I have experienced the understeer-full throttle-exits, and that works for me on one of the turns at the road course.

 

haha,ive had my teg come out on me violently. stock suspension and swaybar at the time. all i did was take the corner very fast and it slid out on its own. since i dont usully encouter oversteer to much, it took me about 3 countersteers to get it back. wasnt too scary cuz i knew i had control of it. i narrowed it down to the fact that my rear tires had desenct camber wear on the inside.