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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:03 PM
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i burn a lot of oil, so sometimes i'm running real low and i'll fall out of vtec around corners, are there any adverse effects from this? my oil was so low, last week that i actually wasnt engaging vtec at all it took 2 1/2 quarts to fill it back up, i need new rings bad .
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:18 PM
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uh well first of all I wouldn't be pushing the car that hard if the rings were that bad. Actually would try to drive it as little as possible. I would also check my oil and add if necessary before driving it for the first time *every day* that you drive it.

oil starvation is bad whether you have VTEC or not.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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yo i got a 1990 integra with the jdm b16 a i nedd a vtec wiring diagram do have are can u get me one if u can email me at bikerm1750@aol.com
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmintegra2781 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yo i got a 1990 integra with the jdm b16 a i nedd a vtec wiring diagram do have are can u get me one if u can email me at bikerm1750@aol.com </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:48 PM
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:49 PM
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I suggest not driving it as well.. Oil starvation could lead to other, more costly repairs than just new rings.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 03:58 PM
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I don't think there's any adverse effects directly from falling out of vtec but if you're low enough on oil that there's not enough for the vtec solenoid then maybe you've got all around oil starvation and that's real bad for a motor. Lay off until you get rings.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 04:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I suggest not driving it as well.. Oil starvation could lead to other, more costly repairs than just new rings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed

Just check the oil a lot, I used 20w-50 in my old '71 Chevy and seemed to burn slower at least....
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 04:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I suggest not driving it as well.. Oil starvation could lead to other, more costly repairs than just new rings.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i do need to check my oil more often, its not that severe, i burn around 1 quart per 1000 miles, I'm also kinda stubborn and am still running 5w30, I tried 10w30 but my car felt considerably more sluggish. I also need to get a FPR i think i'm running rich...
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 04:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmintegra2781 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yo i got a 1990 integra with the jdm b16 a i nedd a vtec wiring diagram do have are can u get me one if u can email me at bikerm1750@aol.com </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yo here ya go man, just follow the diagram, its all very simple!



As for running an engine while low on oil..definetly not, oil starvation will do a lot of damage. Get your rings done asap, otherwise drive easy and check your oil before each journey.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 05:18 PM
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check out that cd2 alemite junk. It apparently helps bad rings, not a permanent fix but it should help it hold out until you do a rebuild.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 05:19 PM
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nice diagram. although "paint" is so basic, it becomes soo useful in times as such
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugenracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yo here ya go man, just follow the diagram, its all very simple!



As for running an engine while low on oil..definetly not, oil starvation will do a lot of damage. Get your rings done asap, otherwise drive easy and check your oil before each journey. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Fabulous technical diagram I traced a wire from the ECU to the VTEC solenoid on it. It took a little bit of studying to verify it's accuracy though.

Should he also check the oil before say an excursion, quest or endevour? Or does it only apply to a journey. Does a pleasant drive in the country require oil?
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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uhm, i wasnt planning on a rebuild... I burn oil, but thats been the case for the last 40k miles. I'm always in the higher RPM's and the thin oil doesnt help, i might sacifice the few hp's and go up to 10w30 but i dont really want to rebuild.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 07:01 PM
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OT: Your in clearwater? damn ur like 20 mins north of me im in ft myers/cape coral
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mattL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">uhm, i wasnt planning on a rebuild... I burn oil, but thats been the case for the last 40k miles. I'm always in the higher RPM's and the thin oil doesnt help, i might sacifice the few hp's and go up to 10w30 but i dont really want to rebuild. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If your rings are bad, what are you compression #'s? They can't be good. Lower Compression = Less Power. You're sacrificing horsepower wether you choose one oil or another. I can only imagine how bad your rings are if they've been gone for 40,000 miles. Are you sure it's your rings, and not something else causing the oil to burn?

Either way, there are plenty of local people around that will rebuild your motor. If all you need is piston rings then start makin some friends and eventually someone will offer to do it for you if you buy the rings.
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 08:18 PM
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And usually if your oil light is on and your low the vtec pressure switch wont engage, when your comming out of corners your oil is being sloshed to one side and the car senses low oil and doesnt engage vtec. Which brings us back to, what are you doing comming hard out of corners with shot rings?
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Old Apr 25, 2003 | 07:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94TealGSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If your rings are bad, what are you compression #'s? They can't be good. Lower Compression = Less Power. You're sacrificing horsepower wether you choose one oil or another. I can only imagine how bad your rings are if they've been gone for 40,000 miles. Are you sure it's your rings, and not something else causing the oil to burn?

Either way, there are plenty of local people around that will rebuild your motor. If all you need is piston rings then start makin some friends and eventually someone will offer to do it for you if you buy the rings. </TD></TR></TABLE>
well, what else can it be. from what i understand some oil loss is normal, especially when being in Vtec a lot. i've just assumed that my rings are bad, i'm running stock fuel pressure, so i'm not sure if that could be it. Only other thing that it could be is that my car runs very cool, usually at C but never goes more than 1/3 up, and i know that the car runs rich when cold right? As far as a rebuild, i dont want to do it myself because i've seem too many motors built by friends that dont make it, so i'd probably end up having it done proffesionally. the car runs strong though, it pulled a 14.5
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TerribleOne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And usually if your oil light is on and your low the vtec pressure switch wont engage, when your comming out of corners your oil is being sloshed to one side and the car senses low oil and doesnt engage vtec. Which brings us back to, what are you doing comming hard out of corners with shot rings? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yo, no need for hammers. My oil light has never come on, and i do drive my car hard as hell, thats probaby why i go through a quart every 1000 miles.
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Old May 8, 2003 | 08:34 PM
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speaking of falling out of vtec..i got a chipped p28 to run with a skunk2 mani..i got the stock mani. on right now..but i wanted to try the ecu to make sure it worked..my vtec is at 5700...1st gear & 2nd are fine...but when rpm's climb slower like in 3rd and 4th..when 5700 hits..it'll sputter in and out of vtec then stay in vtec...but stock ecu(4400 vtec) works fine..any ideas?? oil pump going out? is a type r pump better?
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Old May 8, 2003 | 10:38 PM
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I burn oil also. In fact, every Honda motor burns oil, especially B series.

When they are turning at High RPMS oil used to lubricate the valvetrain goes past the valves and into the combustion chamber. It is perfectly normal for it to do this. If you drive the **** out of it, it will burn oil. Luckily these things are pretty tough. Your problem doesn't sound like shot rings. A 14.5 would indicate a good compression ##. Have you considered some of the seals around the valves and valve train may be shot? What about your PCV?? You obviously burn more than you should, I would say keep on top of the problem better and if necessary have the valvetrain looked at.
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Old May 9, 2003 | 12:29 AM
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Old May 9, 2003 | 04:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black204GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I burn oil also. In fact, every Honda motor burns oil, especially B series.

When they are turning at High RPMS oil used to lubricate the valvetrain goes past the valves and into the combustion chamber. It is perfectly normal for it to do this. If you drive the **** out of it, it will burn oil. Luckily these things are pretty tough. Your problem doesn't sound like shot rings. A 14.5 would indicate a good compression ##. Have you considered some of the seals around the valves and valve train may be shot? What about your PCV?? You obviously burn more than you should, I would say keep on top of the problem better and if necessary have the valvetrain looked at.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats great advice thank you, much better than "dont drive your car!" hehe.
i have replaced the cam seals, spark plug seals looked fine, what else can i check? I'm not familiar with the PCV how do i check that?
thanks
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