ok just sold my gsr and lookin for another teg...the thing is i was going to boost the GSR but it was a great NA motor so i just kept my components and sold it cause of money issues...well now im in the market again and have many things to ponder on...i REALLY want to boost this time but then only thing is, is it better to boost a vtec motor? or a nonvtev motor...from the reading ive done at barnes and noble to the drag experts ive talked to i keep hearing the same thing...non vtec is better because vtec causes way too many complications...what?!?! i say to myself at first but i guess i can see where they are coming from...what are your opinions? if nonvtech is better then i may go with a ls just because its a good base...if not ill try and find a gsr...any ideas guys and gals???

 

ive heard the same thing but u always see boosted gsrs and if u tune it right i dont think it really matters

 

I'd go with the B18B, real nice platform for boost. The main issues with boosting the B18C1 is finding a good tuner and having a nice EMS, I guess it is just more complex.

 

gsr turbo ftw.. u cant go wrong with vtec+boost

 

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im sleepy so im jus gona explain this briefly.

when u boost, u alredy have enuf low end and high end power.
why do u need 2 cam lobes when a properly tuned/boosted 1cam lobe can do the same trick?

vtec is jus a nuisnace when u boost, the crossover to vtec gives ur car unnescessary strain and makes u lose traction.
pweople say u can "feel" when vtec engage. u can feel it "kick back" buts its doing nothing besides unnecssary strain and loss of tire traction.

and pros in the drags with their turboed setup DISBALE their VTEC.

and plus remember about tuning.

 

ive never seen a 600whp LS

 

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im sleepy so im jus gona explain this briefly.

when u boost, u alredy have enuf low end and high end power.
why do u need 2 cam lobes when a properly tuned/boosted 1cam lobe can do the same trick?

vtec is jus a nuisnace when u boost, the crossover to vtec gives ur car unnescessary strain and makes u lose traction.
pweople say u can "feel" when vtec engage. u can feel it "kick back" buts its doing nothing besides unnecssary strain and loss of tire traction.

and pros in the drags with their turboed setup DISBALE their VTEC.

and plus remember about tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well i hear ppl who drag just sell the head and use a different one...this is the reason why you see these for sell that and people want to get rid of it if they melt down their bottom end...but this is exactly what i thought...if you can give me a better explanation when your not tired...i know vtec boost is great but i want there to be smooth boost instead of sudden power because i am going for 500-600hp anyway...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kebert xela &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive never seen a 600whp LS</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have.

 

I'd probably just go with an ls if i wanted to go boost, only because an ls is cheaper.

 

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I have.</TD></TR></TABLE>
me too

 

LS--- way cheaper but if you are going for 500 whp you will need to build every thing on it. If you go with GSR b18c1 you will also need to build everything in which case you will and could do the cams and get TODA racing Vtec kill cams. These cams are like running vtec all the time. and the whole it but alot more strain on the engine and melt pistons thing is true with any car when running that much power on stock bottom end. Keep these in mind, if this car is going to be run on the street 500 hp is useless , you will not be able to get the power to the ground. you will get 10-15 mpg on the high way and you have to put alot of money into it. now if this is going to be a track money then great more power to you. over all it doesnt matter what block you use you will get there pretty much the same way. LS will be alittle cheaper. for street if i where you i wouldn't go over 350-400hp. You cant put wide enought tires on it for street use. I have seen LS/vtec turbos run 300 hp on a street setup and keep up with most everything. it can keep up with my modded evo so that is something to look at.

 

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me too</TD></TR></TABLE>

me 3

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTEC_PRODUCTION &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok just sold my gsr and lookin for another teg...the thing is i was going to boost the GSR but it was a great NA motor so i just kept my components and sold it cause of money issues...well now im in the market again and have many things to ponder on...i REALLY want to boost this time but then only thing is, is it better to boost a vtec motor? or a nonvtev motor...from the reading ive done at barnes and noble to the drag experts ive talked to i keep hearing the same thing...non vtec is better because vtec causes way too many complications...what?!?! i say to myself at first but i guess i can see where they are coming from...what are your opinions? if nonvtech is better then i may go with a ls just because its a good base...if not ill try and find a gsr...any ideas guys and gals???
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You will not go wrong with either motor being turbo'd, first determine what your budget is and how much you want to spend, If you have a b18 non-vtec motor already, just rebuild it to run a turbo application. If you have extra money or want to stick with vtec, then get the a gsr build it for turbo. Boosting a motor is complicated already in itself. What matters most, is the install and tuning which is most crucial. Having vtec with turbo is just the icing on the cake. You can have a non-vtec motor with turbo out perform a vtec motor with turbo and vice versa, again it depends on the tune and the build of the turbo'd motor.

 

you cant go wrong with either motor. Personally I'd go ls boost, tune, run 10 psi and call it a day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntegrasAreBest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you cant go wrong with either motor. Personally I'd go ls boost, tune, run 10 psi and call it a day.</TD></TR></TABLE>
FTW

 

I like your sig IntegrasAreBest Jeri Lee, she's a personal friend of mine, awesome chick FTW! lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntegrasAreBest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you cant go wrong with either motor. Personally I'd go ls boost, tune, run 10 psi and call it a day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

True That, Save that $$$

 

In my opinion get b18b, build it, get some good tuming, boost 15 psi, and u will have a crazy fast sleeper that u can control

 

i've seen many LS turbos and b18c turbos. I had a LS turbo in my DA which was pretty decent. It was running .5bar with a t3/t4e 57trim which was street tuned on crome. Since then I have taken out my LS and bought a B18C(sir-g) and as of right now is stock with bolt-ons. The B18C is pretty fun to drive as is. I plan on boosting the B18C with the same exact set-up that I had on my LS. I am pretty sure the B18C with the same exact set-up on a LS will produce more power.

The higher compression ratio and the higher cam profiles of the VTEC makes a contribution to more power. I have seen many LS motors on t3/t4e from 8-10 psi make anywhere from 220whp-280whp tuned on crome and hondata. I have also seen many B18C's with t3/t4e's on 8-10psi making 260whp- over 300whp. But these results are on stock engines.

If you plan on building the entire engine from the oil-pan up, You might as well get an LS and save the money from not buying a b18c.

Hell, I have seen many single cams(d16a6/d16z6/y8) with just piston/rod upgrades make LOADS of power, Now thats what I call a sleeper.

 

Get the B18C1 you will have higher compression which will lead to better driveablity out of boost b/c I know your not gonna be in boost all the time.(BTW is this a DD or a drag car?) You will also have a better flowing head and the thing about vtec if your running high hp than I would disable it b/c it does cause problems sometimes. If you cant REALLY decide cant go wrong with a frankenstein

 

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im sleepy so im jus gona explain this briefly.

when u boost, u alredy have enuf low end and high end power.
why do u need 2 cam lobes when a properly tuned/boosted 1cam lobe can do the same trick?

vtec is jus a nuisnace when u boost, the crossover to vtec gives ur car unnescessary strain and makes u lose traction.
pweople say u can "feel" when vtec engage. u can feel it "kick back" buts its doing nothing besides unnecssary strain and loss of tire traction.

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this is only an issue with people that dont know wtf they're doing. any competant tuner can easily negotiate things like this.

consider this; in a perfect world, two bone stock engines one a b18b the other a b18c1, both with the exact same turbo kit and the exact same tune, the b18c1 will always make more power because of 1) more compression; 2) better flowing head; and 3) better cams

it may cost more initially but to get a b18b to the same power levels safely you're still going to spend big bucks to make up the difference.


Modified by doood at 1:02 AM 5/23/2007

 

ha

 

well both engines im going to sleeve and hi compression and boost do not go hand in hand...thats like saying you will get more HP with higher octane...im not saying its impossible im just saying its harder to come by...
so either way i see that i will need to sleeve and change alot of the bottom end...my internal conflict im having is weather to buy a cheap ls or wait around for a gsr because they are harder to find...i live in the midwest and im looking for something from the south or southwest...so if anyone had any pointers that way im really interested in finding a GSR 94 95 somewhere in there...

thanks for all the advice and knowledge so far i really appreciate it...

 

I got my B18C from http://www.hmotorsonline.com , I can't say anything ,but good for them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lucky4586 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> get TODA racing Vtec kill cams. These cams are like running vtec all the time. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Toda vtec killers are for high compression NA builds.

And there is more involved than just installing these cams.


Any competent tuner will not only be able to work around the "sudden" engagement of vtec, but will be able to use this to your advantage, making gains all across the board.

People love the B18B for boost because its cheaper than the B18C and easier on the wallet when they mess up on their first time building a car with boost!