<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2chron4u &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

He said CAMS, which cams? You don't know.

Lets break it down:

exhaust - 2.5" no cat
header - dc 4-1
intake manifold - skunk2 IM
intake - whatever
cams -crower 404's
cam gears - whatever

that's good for 160whp or more righ there. That's a gain of 40-50whp from an LS. Of course it needs to be tuned, so throw an SAFC in there, and a FPR and you're good to go.

Now higher compression, a ported head, and a raised redline and he's lookin at 170-180whp.

That is somehwhere about 210hp to the flywheel.
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IM not too sure you will get 50-60 whp out of a ls with those mods... my freinds ls had just about the same mods... and he didnt have thoses #'s

 

just use lots and lots of stickers...each one adds half a hp.

make sure to put them down the fenders though...that's where the engine will make the best use of them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2chron4u &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

He said CAMS, which cams? You don't know.

Lets break it down:

exhaust - 2.5" no cat
header - dc 4-1
intake manifold - skunk2 IM
intake - whatever
cams -crower 404's
cam gears - whatever

that's good for 160whp or more righ there. That's a gain of 40-50whp from an LS. Of course it needs to be tuned, so throw an SAFC in there, and a FPR and you're good to go.

Now higher compression, a ported head, and a raised redline and he's lookin at 170-180whp.

That is somehwhere about 210hp to the flywheel. </TD></TR></TABLE>

what the hell are you smoking? there's no way you're gonna make 40-50whp off those mods, especially on an LS...

 

youre an idiot, the LS can make that kind of power with those mods.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ragerized &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">youre an idiot, the LS can make that kind of power with those mods.</TD></TR></TABLE>

do u have dyno plots to back this up?

 

man you been livin in a cave? even my grandma knows an LS can make 160whp with those basic mods.

here's an ls with bolt ons and crower 404's, CR was raised a tiny bit to 9.5, tuned with an safc. 164whp and it's bouncin off redline.



and here's the torque curve compared to a ITR with intake and tuned with Hondata



damn...and you though you were so much cooler cause you have VTEC. guess again

 

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damn...and you though you were so much cooler cause you have VTEC. guess again

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pwned y0!

 

hell yeah an ls can have straight power. not turbo power but still power.

lets break this down again.
ported head( must on ls, i say first thing to do)= if done good about 10hp
skunk2 im = 5 a little more if ported
4-1 header = 3-4 hp
cams crower 404 or 403= 10- 15 hp(need more compresion to work right)
hi comp pistons 11.1 or 11.5 .1= 3-4hp
some cam gears= tuned with cams 4Hp
a hondata s200(which i think should come second) rev to 8 no more on ls. with this tune all this and a b16 or c1 trany then bam.
turbo mag and honda tuning are both making 200 hp teg which they say will do high as hell 13's

so we add the parts and if tuned about 50 hp but if tuned. so 50 + 120 = 170 which with some falken azenis sport tires or hell why not Bf g drag radials and you'll get mid to low 14's

or buy hatch put the motor in hit 13's and you'll wop on srt-4, v8 non nos mustangs, 350z and wrx all day long

 

how do we know that dyno is for a ls.... granted the rpms are of a ls... im just not convinced with just thoses mods im not knocking the ls cause ive had 2 ls's tegs so far

 

Not knocking the Ls either, or trying to start a debate, but IMO thats way to much trouble for that little of power I mean honestly a full built, hihg compression, big camed Ls that is just as fast as a Gsr with bolt ons

My beleif in All motor is to start with the best platform as possible, its keeps you a step ahead of the competition


If you start at the bottom of the food chain, most likely you'll always be at the bottom.

 

I say just go with Simple, get a Greddy Evo Full Exhaust, DC hedders, AEM intake, type r cams and gears, basic, this is if your mobbin a GSR...just that will make you happy gaurunteed spending around $3000 for that
mikey
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There are so many better headers out there than DC.

 

Yes it is an LS. Its styleteg's LS. Hes a mod on team-integra.net

Man I see you bashing LSs constantly and you have no idea what they can do...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quikB18B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not knocking the Ls either, or trying to start a debate, but IMO thats way to much trouble for that little of power I mean honestly a full built, hihg compression, big camed Ls that is just as fast as a Gsr with bolt ons

My beleif in All motor is to start with the best platform as possible, its keeps you a step ahead of the competition


If you start at the bottom of the food chain, most likely you'll always be at the bottom. </TD></TR></TABLE>it depends on what kind of power band u want and how u drive your car....
personally for na, i'd rather have a built b18b then a b18c, i don't like vtec(i have no use for it, i don't care that much about having an engine w/ 2 "power bands"...). i like a constant power band, and a nice torque curve.
to me it's not all about peak hp #'s
but that's just me

that's why this topic/argument can never be decided upon...
whether or not a motor is the best/fastest all depends on the driver and what the driver wants out of the engine


and i've heard that Type One power header 4-2-1 is very good for the b18b...

 

Duct tape+zip-ties+jb weld at numerous places on the car=15-20WHP

 

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what? leave. what the hell kinda post is this? good n/a numbers are possible on an ls... but very $$$

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evilempire &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes it is an LS. Its styleteg's LS. Hes a mod on team-integra.net

Man I see you bashing LSs constantly and you have no idea what they can do...</TD></TR></TABLE>
why do so much people stand up for the ls motor
a vtec motors is simpply just better. so much more power can be had from a vtec motor that a ls can never have. the ls only has more torque due to the longer stroke which increases displacement form a gsr/itr 1.79x cc to 1.83x cc which is really nothing
you can bore a gsr to 82mm and have the torque of a ls with much more top end

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evilempire &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes it is an LS. Its styleteg's LS. Hes a mod on team-integra.net

Man I see you bashing LSs constantly and you have no idea what they can do...</TD></TR></TABLE>

who are u talking to?

 

a turbo sellout

 

I'm not trying to make claims that the b18b is better than the b18c1 but I'm kind of tired of people acting like they couldn't use it as a lawn mower engine when they haven't researched it or think the biggest gain you can get it 10 hp with bolt ons.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRAG lll INTEGRA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do we know that dyno is for a ls.... granted the rpms are of a ls... im just not convinced with just thoses mods im not knocking the ls cause ive had 2 ls's tegs so far</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evilempire &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes it is an LS. Its styleteg's LS. Hes a mod on team-integra.net

Man I see you bashing LSs constantly and you have no idea what they can do...</TD></TR></TABLE>


He's talking to you Drag lll Integra. You posted that you don't think its an LS dyno and he proved you wrong by mentioning it was a dyno from a mod on team-integra.

Also, to each his own. If you want to build a B18B all motor and spend a TON of cash and get 170whp or so then thats what you want to do. It could actually be a better auto-x car because of the torque and powerband if you got it tuned correctly. However, I'd personally go with a C1 or C5, but thats just MY OPINION. That doesn't affect everyone, most people want to stick with their stock engine setup. Some people don't have the money to swap (its not that easy to come up with around 5 g's everyone. Telling someone to swap just doesn't make money appear in their hands). We are all on a food chain, each one of us could swap for a better setup....so don't hate on the LS guys. You guys with C1's would get owned by C5's(stock). You guys with C5's would get owned by K20's. You could go anywhere with this information. Granted I know that if you mod a C1 you can do the same with a C5, but I am talking about stock here.

To each his own....and goodluck.

 

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and your point?

and i dont know why he's talking to me, i dont bash ls's... why would I? i have a ls my self? im pretty sure i know what the ls can do, i only mangaed to pull close to 300 whp out of my last one... so please dont talk to me as if im some rookie..ive had a ls since 96

 

a 75hp shot of nos will not work out to adding 75 ponies to your car unless installed correctly

 

there is so much bad info on this thread. First an ls with I/H/E will push around 120 Whp. Next, cams suck for LSs...unlike my gsr where you can still have good low end power and even better top end power, the LS does not have dual cam profile, so going with something much bigger then a stage one and you WILL be sacrificing drivability(and if you're that one dumbass that thinks driving around with your motor welded dirctly to the frame, lumpy idle, and stripped interior is drivable on the street....you sir are a dumbass, thats why we have street cars and race cars, oh but wait, you dont have enough money for both ).

 

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He's talking to you Drag lll Integra. You posted that you don't think its an LS dyno and he proved you wrong by mentioning it was a dyno from a mod on team-integra.

Also, to each his own. If you want to build a B18B all motor and spend a TON of cash and get 170whp or so then thats what you want to do. It could actually be a better auto-x car because of the torque and powerband if you got it tuned correctly. However, I'd personally go with a C1 or C5, but thats just MY OPINION. That doesn't affect everyone, most people want to stick with their stock engine setup. Some people don't have the money to swap (its not that easy to come up with around 5 g's everyone. Telling someone to swap just doesn't make money appear in their hands). We are all on a food chain, each one of us could swap for a better setup....so don't hate on the LS guys. You guys with C1's would get owned by C5's(stock). You guys with C5's would get owned by K20's. You could go anywhere with this information. Granted I know that if you mod a C1 you can do the same with a C5, but I am talking about stock here.

To each his own....and goodluck.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There you go.......that pretty much sums up this whole discussion