uberdata installers in NOVA??
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Re: (Silverskylinegirl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And your problem with Motec would be considered an "isolated incident", are you sure it was Motec and not TEC (Electromotive)? Whenever i've called for help Motec has always been happy to assist, even with the "remedial' ones 
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um no. many of the FSAE teams have encountered similar problems. in fact, most have gone to either pi or haltech. we would have as well if we hadn't dropped $2g on the datalogging digital dash.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I understand about Uberdata it won't work with more than 15 pounds of boost, is that correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, it is not correct.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what needs to happen if say I want to run 16-30psi? </TD></TR></TABLE>
you switch the map scalar to use a 3 bar sensor and install one in your car.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does Uberdata have an upgrade, or do I need to move on to another EMS (I won't mention names this time OK
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it has CONTINUAL upgrades. it is a dynamic system, being reiterated constantly by more people than just the original author- in fact, many of the end users are the ones helping implement most of the new changes. i cannot think of any other EMS on the planet that works that way.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will admit that i'm not as familiar with Uberdata as I am with other EMS systems, that dosen't mean I can't have an opinion or preference right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong.
just what manner of opinion do you expect to form about something when you have little to no knowledge of it?
an uneducated opinion- that's what you'll get. and you wonder why people aren't taking you seriously...
i know i'm being an ***, but it really chokes my goat to see someone come in here and belittle the work these guys do while spouting uneducated opinions about it. so, you don't know **** about uberdata, but you know the AEM is better huh? if you can't see what's wrong with that statement, you've got more problems than an AEM can help.
research -> open mouth. keep it in that order please.
</TD></TR></TABLE>um no. many of the FSAE teams have encountered similar problems. in fact, most have gone to either pi or haltech. we would have as well if we hadn't dropped $2g on the datalogging digital dash.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I understand about Uberdata it won't work with more than 15 pounds of boost, is that correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, it is not correct.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what needs to happen if say I want to run 16-30psi? </TD></TR></TABLE>
you switch the map scalar to use a 3 bar sensor and install one in your car.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does Uberdata have an upgrade, or do I need to move on to another EMS (I won't mention names this time OK
). </TD></TR></TABLE>it has CONTINUAL upgrades. it is a dynamic system, being reiterated constantly by more people than just the original author- in fact, many of the end users are the ones helping implement most of the new changes. i cannot think of any other EMS on the planet that works that way.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will admit that i'm not as familiar with Uberdata as I am with other EMS systems, that dosen't mean I can't have an opinion or preference right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong.
just what manner of opinion do you expect to form about something when you have little to no knowledge of it?
an uneducated opinion- that's what you'll get. and you wonder why people aren't taking you seriously...
i know i'm being an ***, but it really chokes my goat to see someone come in here and belittle the work these guys do while spouting uneducated opinions about it. so, you don't know **** about uberdata, but you know the AEM is better huh? if you can't see what's wrong with that statement, you've got more problems than an AEM can help.
research -> open mouth. keep it in that order please.
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Re: (MadCow the Transvestike.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MadCow the Transvestike. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">uberdata users unite.
The problem people have is this: uberdata was (and still is, but not quite as much) under development as all other engine management systems were at one point. It changes daily (sometimes even more), so you can never really make the same statement twice about a limitation.
Can it only run 15lbs of boost?
Well, a few months back yeah.
Does it have boost cut?
Nope, not 3 months ago, does now.
Can it do full throttle launch and shifting?
Well, last year it couldn't.
Does it have datalogging?
Well, a month ago it didn't.
See where I'm going with this? People hear/see about a limitation and take it to be permanent. All EMS's were a work in progress at one point, 99% of them aren't available when they're under construction... uberdata is.
It's a double edged sword in more ways than one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I was under the impression that Uberdata was a skimp system, you have opened my eyes to the possibilities
All the things I had read about Uberdata have obviously been either repaired or updated, I can see the progression it's making (good **** ). Thanks for explaining it to me in a calm and controlled manner, can you rub off on some other people please
The problem people have is this: uberdata was (and still is, but not quite as much) under development as all other engine management systems were at one point. It changes daily (sometimes even more), so you can never really make the same statement twice about a limitation.
Can it only run 15lbs of boost?
Well, a few months back yeah.
Does it have boost cut?
Nope, not 3 months ago, does now.
Can it do full throttle launch and shifting?
Well, last year it couldn't.
Does it have datalogging?
Well, a month ago it didn't.
See where I'm going with this? People hear/see about a limitation and take it to be permanent. All EMS's were a work in progress at one point, 99% of them aren't available when they're under construction... uberdata is.
It's a double edged sword in more ways than one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I was under the impression that Uberdata was a skimp system, you have opened my eyes to the possibilities
All the things I had read about Uberdata have obviously been either repaired or updated, I can see the progression it's making (good **** ). Thanks for explaining it to me in a calm and controlled manner, can you rub off on some other people please
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Re: (civicflnum1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicflnum1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You'll stick with AEM? i thought you said you were running a F-CON Pro?
Soldering every time? what the hell are you talking about lol. You solder once, then you just remove the chips. It takes about 5 secs to pull a chip, lets not be lazy here people.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I do indeed run the F-CON PRO, I don't need to own the AEM to choose it over the Uberdata do I?
The whole soldering thing was mis-read by me, my mistake
You'll stick with AEM? i thought you said you were running a F-CON Pro?
Soldering every time? what the hell are you talking about lol. You solder once, then you just remove the chips. It takes about 5 secs to pull a chip, lets not be lazy here people.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I do indeed run the F-CON PRO, I don't need to own the AEM to choose it over the Uberdata do I?
The whole soldering thing was mis-read by me, my mistake
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Re: (filthy scarecrow)
How does the Uberdata automap the fuel table?
How does the traction control feature work?
How does the nitrous control feature work?
How does the knock sensor feature work?
Those features are important to me, so please explain how they work.
How does the traction control feature work?
How does the nitrous control feature work?
How does the knock sensor feature work?
Those features are important to me, so please explain how they work.
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From: The Cow Pasture
Re: (Silverskylinegirl)
Man everyones knocking on Uberdata like its that much shittier than a "real" ems.
Have you people that are doubtful even downloaded the program and looked at it? If not then shut up. Those with Hondata and AEM, what percent of the features do you ACTUALLY use on a daily basis? I bet not over 70%.
Here's my setup. I chipped my ECU for $30. Its easy as **** and takes 30 minutes if you've ever held a soldering iron before. I got a laptop for $60 at a computer sale. Next, I bought the DIY TechEdge 2.0 kit and the DIY digital wb display. It'll take a few hours to build but it'll save close to $300. Next, I'm using a wideband o2 sensor out of a VW Golf GTi, its $30 shipped. Dyno? **** nah, I'll use a software dyno based off the configuration of my car. Using the RPM signal and gear ratios, it calculates horsepower AND torque to ~+/- 3% Good **** and its free.
So basically, my point is while you're spending probably over a thousand dollars to have someone tune it and for the EMS itself, you could have spent $300 and been able to tune it whenever you want, however many times you want, and actually feel SMART about it having constructed it yourself, and not just going by what a friend told you about tuning or what you read on Honda-Tech.
..... sorry its kinda a rant, but everyone is always like ohhhhh, AEM is only $1200
..... **** that!
Have you people that are doubtful even downloaded the program and looked at it? If not then shut up. Those with Hondata and AEM, what percent of the features do you ACTUALLY use on a daily basis? I bet not over 70%.
Here's my setup. I chipped my ECU for $30. Its easy as **** and takes 30 minutes if you've ever held a soldering iron before. I got a laptop for $60 at a computer sale. Next, I bought the DIY TechEdge 2.0 kit and the DIY digital wb display. It'll take a few hours to build but it'll save close to $300. Next, I'm using a wideband o2 sensor out of a VW Golf GTi, its $30 shipped. Dyno? **** nah, I'll use a software dyno based off the configuration of my car. Using the RPM signal and gear ratios, it calculates horsepower AND torque to ~+/- 3% Good **** and its free.
So basically, my point is while you're spending probably over a thousand dollars to have someone tune it and for the EMS itself, you could have spent $300 and been able to tune it whenever you want, however many times you want, and actually feel SMART about it having constructed it yourself, and not just going by what a friend told you about tuning or what you read on Honda-Tech.
..... sorry its kinda a rant, but everyone is always like ohhhhh, AEM is only $1200
..... **** that!
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From: Eastern Washington
Re: (TeamCracka)
ehhh... i'm at the point now where i just tell people that Uberdata sucks... don't use it... go buy an AEM unit. Then there are the ones who are curious and want to learn what its all about, i don't mind helping those folks.
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Re: (Silverskylinegirl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverskylinegirl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the Uberdata automap the fuel table?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it doesn't have this feature. if you think you need this feature, you might want to do a little more reading about EMS. i think blake wanted to write the code for this at one point (maybe he's still working on it) but the general consensus is that autotune doesn't work well enough to be a useful "tuning" tool. few wideband O2's have the capability to read quickly enough for real time lambda control.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the traction control feature work?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i actually have a prototype board on my kitchen table for this one. unlike AEM, which assumes wheel speed by accelerometer readings and assumes that any accel over it's preset limit is wheelspin (just how a car accelerates FASTER while spinning the wheels i'll never know), the TC system i'm working on actually directly measures wheel speed and compares slip and cuts fuel and/or boost to compensate. this system works the same on any surface. the AEM works only when you know the grip level of your tires and the surface they're contacting. on an F1 car, the AEM would work splendidly. on a street driven car where the grip level of the road changes constantly, it's "less than ideal."
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the nitrous control feature work?</TD></TR></TABLE>
someone else wanna tackle this one? i know it's been addressed, but i could give two ***** about nitrous.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the knock sensor feature work?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the general consensus is that the stock honda knock sensor isn't ideal for boost applications. my strategy is to use a saab APC system ($45) to limit boost whenever knock is detected. even in spending the cash on a J&S, one is still ahead financially.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those features are important to me, so please explain how they work.</TD></TR></TABLE>
done and done.
i apologise for being an ***. but please understand that unwarranted criticism of something you do not fully understand will seldom make you any friends- especially when you're avoiding the original poster's question altogether. maybe you and i could both use a lesson in the tactful ways of saying things.
the only thing i can think of that i wish uberdata had was individual cyl. trims. it's not an issue for the honda guys, but if i get it running my 3SGTE, #'s 2 and 3 tend to run leaner than the rest.
either way, i'm gonna go join evosol. Uberdata sucks... don't use it... go buy an AEM.
it doesn't have this feature. if you think you need this feature, you might want to do a little more reading about EMS. i think blake wanted to write the code for this at one point (maybe he's still working on it) but the general consensus is that autotune doesn't work well enough to be a useful "tuning" tool. few wideband O2's have the capability to read quickly enough for real time lambda control.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the traction control feature work?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i actually have a prototype board on my kitchen table for this one. unlike AEM, which assumes wheel speed by accelerometer readings and assumes that any accel over it's preset limit is wheelspin (just how a car accelerates FASTER while spinning the wheels i'll never know), the TC system i'm working on actually directly measures wheel speed and compares slip and cuts fuel and/or boost to compensate. this system works the same on any surface. the AEM works only when you know the grip level of your tires and the surface they're contacting. on an F1 car, the AEM would work splendidly. on a street driven car where the grip level of the road changes constantly, it's "less than ideal."
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the nitrous control feature work?</TD></TR></TABLE>
someone else wanna tackle this one? i know it's been addressed, but i could give two ***** about nitrous.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does the knock sensor feature work?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the general consensus is that the stock honda knock sensor isn't ideal for boost applications. my strategy is to use a saab APC system ($45) to limit boost whenever knock is detected. even in spending the cash on a J&S, one is still ahead financially.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those features are important to me, so please explain how they work.</TD></TR></TABLE>
done and done.
i apologise for being an ***. but please understand that unwarranted criticism of something you do not fully understand will seldom make you any friends- especially when you're avoiding the original poster's question altogether. maybe you and i could both use a lesson in the tactful ways of saying things.
the only thing i can think of that i wish uberdata had was individual cyl. trims. it's not an issue for the honda guys, but if i get it running my 3SGTE, #'s 2 and 3 tend to run leaner than the rest.
either way, i'm gonna go join evosol. Uberdata sucks... don't use it... go buy an AEM.
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From: SomeWhere Over The RainBow
Re: (willyboyD16)
i think everyone forget what the topic says posted by killa-ek-lsvtec,
uberdata installers in NOVA??
i don't know anyone, does anyone else?
i don't think he wanted all this crap to happened
uberdata installers in NOVA??
i don't know anyone, does anyone else?
i don't think he wanted all this crap to happened
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From: The Cow Pasture
Re: (EgSick)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EgSick »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think everyone forget what the topic says posted by killa-ek-lsvtec,
uberdata installers in NOVA??
i don't know anyone, does anyone else?
i don't think he wanted all this crap to happened</TD></TR></TABLE>
I feel its my duty to step in when someone hates on Uberdata, sorry to get off topic
uberdata installers in NOVA??
i don't know anyone, does anyone else?
i don't think he wanted all this crap to happened</TD></TR></TABLE>
I feel its my duty to step in when someone hates on Uberdata, sorry to get off topic
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From: Ft.Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Re: (TeamCracka)
Uberdata can not be "installed". its very easy. Get a obd 1 ecu and have it socketed. Then get a chip burned with a base map scaled to what ever size injectors you have. Then tune from there. Easy as 1-2-3.
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From: minneapolis, MN, murka
Re: (civicflnum1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicflnum1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Uberdata can not be "installed". its very easy. Get a obd 1 ecu and have it socketed. Then get a chip burned with a base map scaled to what ever size injectors you have. Then tune from there. Easy as 1-2-3.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'm with this guy. learn to tune your **** yourself. it's not that hard.. ask questions if you're not sure about something. there's an entire forum at your disposal.
how's the saying go? give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish he'll eat for the rest of his life.
how hungry are you?
i'm with this guy. learn to tune your **** yourself. it's not that hard.. ask questions if you're not sure about something. there's an entire forum at your disposal.
how's the saying go? give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish he'll eat for the rest of his life.
how hungry are you?
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