garados

iTrader: (3)

Fuggin sucks. I just went to an scca competition and I couldn't participate because I'm under 18 and BOTH parents had to be there, present. What a crock of shizite. My mom has other things to do other than watch me go around a track. BLAHHHHHHH!!!! Oh well. Next time I'll be 18.

.RJ

Rules meant for the safety of their memebers is a crock of shizite?

Remember, you are still legally a minor. This would be a great time to get your parents involved in your hobby as well.

garados

iTrader: (3)

I mean, last time I went, it was just 1 parent. If I had known about the change, I wouldn't have been so upset, but I was all prepared to go out, then they tell me, so then I couldn't participate.

mr. carpenter

i just watched a guy run his v8 rx7 into a concrete post at the last houston event. scca being non profit has to ensure that these type of things do not fall back on them. you said you'd be 18 for the next event so why even concern yourself w/ it anymore? scca is an excellent orginization. i hope this does not tarnish your image of them.

garados

iTrader: (3)

I just bothers me because it was 20 minutes ago. In jsut a few more minutes, it won't bother me anymore. Their image is not tarnished in my mind.

maxim

Yep, I was working in corner 2 when that happened. Horrible to see, especially for all the hard work the Houston SCCA puts in to getting such a nice location.

SCCA sets the rules for the safety of the participants, I'm suprised that don't have even stricter rules as a precaution for events like these. Consider yourself lucky, the SCCA could be a lot worse.


[Modified by maxim, 10:13 AM 3/9/2003]

Crack Monkey

Hmmm, that's an odd rule. I don't think I've ever seen any sort of minor waiver that required the signature of two parents. What happens if your mom is a widower, or they are divorced, or ....? Could the registration people point you to a line in the GCR or Solo Rulebook? I'd be willing to bet they had no clue what was going on.

kedwards

I agree with Crack Monkey. I have signed a minor waiver more than a few times (for my daughter and for my son). Only one parent was present, since my wife almost *never* attends.

garados

iTrader: (3)

They showed it to me in the memo they had gotten a few days ago. They were confused about the rule, but they came to a consensus that I couldn't participate unless both parents were present.

Evan55

2 parents does seem kind of silly.

there is nothing that having another parent there will do to make it safer. And there is nothing legally that requires both parents.

silly

.RJ

I misread the original post, i didnt see he had one parent there. IMO, as long as one parent shows up and signs the waiver, thats fine.

kedwards

Not to justify this, but there *was* a strange court ruling not too long ago about a minor who sued after a (sports) injury. The parent or parents signed a waiver, but the minor contested their rights or ability to waive his or her rights.

Watkinsm3

Uh... yeah. Wtf do you do if you're parents are divorced?

"Sorry kid... because you're life it already f-ed up we're gonna screw you some more!"

amweiss

sorry to hear that happened, it sounds pretty screwed up to me...in our region I think we only require one signature by a parent or legal gaurdian. I'm going to check out the exact rule...did you try contacting a member of your local SCCA? I'd start w/ your region's liscensing director and get the scoop. I hate hearing SCCA crap like that, sorry that had to happen to you.

Knestis

As an ex-coach of high school athletics (with a minimial understanding of civil law) I can TOTALLY see why SCCA might make the change. It generally isn't the injured minor that sues - it's one of the parents. Particularly in complex custody situations, one parent might strenuously object to the other's assumption of risk and out-of-hand signing away of his or her right to sue on the child's behalf, and I'll bet that there has been recent case law that makes a one-parent release effectively null and void.

Welcome to the US of A - in New Zealand where civil law is a very different animal, hotels not only still have diving boards in pools but often have trampolines in the play areas. Public parks have skate 'pipes, and there are all kinds of fun - dangerous - toys to rent.

Kirk

.RJ

Sad when people cant take responsibility and admit they fucked up and have to sue someone else for it.

Watkinsm3

You pretty much said it RJ... Not many things make me any angrier then this.

...I'll leave at that...

.RJ

Its funny, my mom wants me to sue the company i was working for when i cut up my hand bartending. The insurance company (workers comp) has paid for all the hospital/dr/therapy bills, and covered lost wages. I really dont know what i'd be filing a lawsuit for. Pain and suffering? Not applicable in workers comp claims in Va.

bikeboy80

haha, thats good

Evan55

It just goes with the overall attitude of the entire country. Self-centered selfishness is paramount, the only person that matters is yourself and most importantly, if something bad happens, its someone elses fault. always. One does not have to take responsibility for one's own actions.

geez dont get me started.......

smokin rubber

your region or mine got the memo wrong,. Our minors had to have both parents sign the waiver, but they do not have to be present at each event.

phat-S

I'd bet it is actually more aimed at divorced couples than not - which in my whacked view, kinda makes sense, can't sneak too much by the other parent when they live in the same house.

Crack Monkey

Stated that way, if makes sense (legally). But once again, it's the kids that get screwed over by their parents greed. There are very few things about this county that annoy me, but the lack of tort reform tops the list (actually, Dubyah tops it right now, but that's another thread).

illusion

those v8 rx7s are nuts!

MaddMatt

Definitely a new national rule. The local SCCA chapter here said the same thing today. I guess everyone that was a member of the local chapter got the word because there were several minors there that competed, and had both parents present.

Matt