Dyno: SMSP vs Mugen
07-30-2005, 11:04 PM
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Dyno: SMSP vs Mugen
Mods: TWM 52mm ITB/motorcycle sock filters/AEM EMS tuned by myself
The rest of the engine mods are Jun cams/SMSP header/SMSP exhaust with Sard muffler/UR pulleys
Head and bottem end is USDM stock w/ 10.1 compression
Our local Dynanometer reads about 10% less than Dynojets, as bone stock Preludes are averaging only 140whp on this dyno (vs 154whp on dynojet). If you want to translate my numbers to dynojet figures, multiply 206 by 1.1 would be fairly accurate.
Im also running AEM big brakes and 18" wheels, so numbers could be higher w/ stock brakes and smaller wheels setup.
I was able to do a run just before header swap for a more precise comparison:
196whp represents BLUE line, which I had Mugen header & T1R exhaust. Its a little lower than last time (200whp) due to hotter intake temperature
RED line (206whp) is w/ SMSP header & exhaust.
SMSP 206.3whp@~7700, with over 200whp on tap from 6800 to 8700
Jun cams with SMSP is such a killer comboMugen 196.3whp@~7100, power started to fall off after 7400.
At 8000 there's a difference of 16whp(205 vs 189). The gains would be 25whp if I revved to 8300 with Mugen setup. Now if I extend the Mugen curve out to 8700, the difference would be a whopping 35whp (200 vs 165)!!
SMSP 163tq @~6000
Mugen 157tq @~6000
Modified by VSBB6 at 10:27 PM 7/31/2005
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07-31-2005, 08:18 AM
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Well, there goes that secret and there goes that competitive edge.
Well, there goes that secret and there goes that competitive edge.
07-31-2005, 09:56 AM
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Re: (an2ny888)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by an2ny888 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mugen 4-1 or 4-2-1 header? 2.5 inch outlet?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Mugen headers for H22s are 4-2-1s. I believe the collector outlet is 60mm ID, please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Mugen headers for H22s are 4-2-1s. I believe the collector outlet is 60mm ID, please correct me if I'm wrong.
07-31-2005, 10:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BolivianFuego »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Finally some rock hard proof that Mugen Headers are not all they are cracked up to be. 
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no its just proof on how much power the smsp stuff makes...
this doesnt mean the mugen stuff is garbage, it just shows how big of difference the smsp race header is over a regular off the shelf header...
make a comparision with the stock mugen dc greedy and all the other off the shelf mass produced headers, and that will show you how good the mugen really is...
</TD></TR></TABLE>no its just proof on how much power the smsp stuff makes...
this doesnt mean the mugen stuff is garbage, it just shows how big of difference the smsp race header is over a regular off the shelf header...
make a comparision with the stock mugen dc greedy and all the other off the shelf mass produced headers, and that will show you how good the mugen really is...
07-31-2005, 02:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nerologic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
no its just proof on how much power the smsp stuff makes...
this doesnt mean the mugen stuff is garbage, it just shows how big of difference the smsp race header is over a regular off the shelf header...
make a comparision with the stock mugen dc greedy and all the other off the shelf mass produced headers, and that will show you how good the mugen really is...</TD></TR></TABLE>
i agree ^^^
even if you compare a mugen header in overall quality to the other listed above, you can see a difference in the welds and the flanges.
i believe that VSBB6's Mugen has a 2.25" collector...the smsp is just amazing..great job on the header build too..i've seen it in person *bows down*
Modified by Mashimaro at 12:06 AM 8/1/2005
no its just proof on how much power the smsp stuff makes...
this doesnt mean the mugen stuff is garbage, it just shows how big of difference the smsp race header is over a regular off the shelf header...
make a comparision with the stock mugen dc greedy and all the other off the shelf mass produced headers, and that will show you how good the mugen really is...</TD></TR></TABLE>
i agree ^^^
even if you compare a mugen header in overall quality to the other listed above, you can see a difference in the welds and the flanges.
i believe that VSBB6's Mugen has a 2.25" collector...the smsp is just amazing..great job on the header build too..i've seen it in person *bows down*
Modified by Mashimaro at 12:06 AM 8/1/2005
07-31-2005, 04:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mashimaro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i agree ^^^
even if you compare a mugen header in overall quality to the other listed above, you can see a difference in the welds and the flanges.
i believe that VSBB6's Mugen has a 2.25" collector...the smsp is just amazing..great job on the header build too..i've seen it in person *bows down*
Modified by Mashimaro at 12:06 AM 8/1/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nah its just since the SMSP header came out, the firm believers in their Mugen headers refused to believe the smsp unit would make substantial power over theyre Mugen headers. Well now this proves the true worth of a SMSP header in comparison with a mugen.
i agree ^^^
even if you compare a mugen header in overall quality to the other listed above, you can see a difference in the welds and the flanges.
i believe that VSBB6's Mugen has a 2.25" collector...the smsp is just amazing..great job on the header build too..i've seen it in person *bows down*
Modified by Mashimaro at 12:06 AM 8/1/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nah its just since the SMSP header came out, the firm believers in their Mugen headers refused to believe the smsp unit would make substantial power over theyre Mugen headers. Well now this proves the true worth of a SMSP header in comparison with a mugen.
07-31-2005, 09:34 PM
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SMSP really outflows Mugen after 7000.
Infact if I revved up to 8700 with Mugen, I would land @100 lb-ft, @ 100 lb-ft that's just 165 whp. While SMSP still makes 200whp, the gains would be a whopping 35whp!!
Infact if I revved up to 8700 with Mugen, I would land @100 lb-ft, @ 100 lb-ft that's just 165 whp. While SMSP still makes 200whp, the gains would be a whopping 35whp!!
07-31-2005, 09:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BolivianFuego »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Nah its just since the SMSP header came out, the firm believers in their Mugen headers refused to believe the smsp unit would make substantial power over theyre Mugen headers. Well now this proves the true worth of a SMSP header in comparison with a mugen. </TD></TR></TABLE>
oh ok i see...
Nah its just since the SMSP header came out, the firm believers in their Mugen headers refused to believe the smsp unit would make substantial power over theyre Mugen headers. Well now this proves the true worth of a SMSP header in comparison with a mugen. </TD></TR></TABLE>
oh ok i see...
08-02-2005, 08:46 AM
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Mugen is comparable to SMSP only before 5700, when VTEC kicks-in it got KO'ed.
What Im really impressed with my dyno is the power curve. As stock H22 tends to run out of breath after 7000, mine peaks at 7700 and keeps the power over 200whp until 9000. This makes a huge difference because I can shift at a much higher rpm and keeps the power up.
As a number of stock Prelude dyno'ed only 140whp in our Dynanometer, using the same formula my car would be putting 206 x (195/140) = 287 at the crank.
What Im really impressed with my dyno is the power curve. As stock H22 tends to run out of breath after 7000, mine peaks at 7700 and keeps the power over 200whp until 9000. This makes a huge difference because I can shift at a much higher rpm and keeps the power up.
As a number of stock Prelude dyno'ed only 140whp in our Dynanometer, using the same formula my car would be putting 206 x (195/140) = 287 at the crank.
08-02-2005, 09:03 AM
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Re: (VSBB6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VSBB6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mugen is comparable to SMSP only before 5700, when VTEC kicks-in it got KO'ed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This header isn't the standard set up I do for H22s, it's plumbed for higher rpms. I'm very happy that it did as well as it did in the low to mid range considering the design. The standard header would probably have more gains in the low to mid and but not as much in the top end. Once Leo gets a good P&P and a bump in CR, he'll probably pick up another 5-8 lb-ft in the low to mid range and this thing will be one of the best NA H22s on the street out there.
This header isn't the standard set up I do for H22s, it's plumbed for higher rpms. I'm very happy that it did as well as it did in the low to mid range considering the design. The standard header would probably have more gains in the low to mid and but not as much in the top end. Once Leo gets a good P&P and a bump in CR, he'll probably pick up another 5-8 lb-ft in the low to mid range and this thing will be one of the best NA H22s on the street out there.
