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New to this site and just wanted to share my F22B2 ITB setup. I have not installed the ITB's yet. I am currently tuning my chipped P75 with a P30 F22B2 Base ROM on the stock motor first to get the kinks out.

ECU Chipped
I started this whole project off with learning how to chip my own ECU and it was a bit tougher than I thought but I got it done eventually.

My P75 non VTEC Ecu converted to a P72 VTEC w/IAB enabled, lowprof Zif Chipped, Jumpered, to allow for an easy return to the stock P75 mode. Base Mapped, set up for Hulog datalogging and OBD2 (Veh) to OBD1 (ecu) wired.

GSXR Throttle Body prep for F22 ITB conversion

These are a set of 2003 GSXR 1000 Throttle bodies. Measuring 51mm at the trumpet and 46mm @ the throttle plate. Now some may say that these are the measurments for a Hyabusa, so be it, I got these TB for the price of 1000’s….cheap $80 delivered.

First sep was obviously to clean them up and get rid of all the bits that I will not be using.

They came with the secondary throttle bar still attached but not the the valves. I removed the bar and was faced with the fact that a hole in the side of the ventury would not be a benefit so I filled the holes with JB weld.

Before JB weld

& holes filled

Then I had to go about deciding what to do with the stock GSXR fuel injector locations. They could be a possible use in the future so for now I decided to tap them out and make them optional vacuum ports.

Injector bungs Pre tap

Tapping them out

Fitted with a 1/4 brass vacuum fitting that I can plug if I don't want to use them

Internal view of vacuum port

I did not make the injector bungs any bigger or modify the seal in any way so that I may be able to add an extra set of injectors in the future. May even try adding the GSXR injectors and using an old mega squirt to control them.

Well after doing this I saw that there was a bit of room to clean up the JB weld and maybe enlarge the ventury.

So I honed them out about 1mm making them 52mm at the trumpet and 47mm at the throat

Then polished them.

on to

The runners and stock F22 manifold.

This is where I started with a stock Upper & Lower IM.

After disasembly here is what I had to work with, gotta love So Cal car parts not a spot of rust or aluminum pitting.

After a few hours of cutting, grinding and fine tuning. I get my lower manifold ready for runners.

At this point is where I stood stagnant.....waiting........and......

........waiting. It was a long wait for my custom bent aluminum runners. You wouldn't believe how hard it was to find 1"7/8" aluminum tubing in this city....not a common tube size for refineries or paper mills... :lol: Not one shop in the city carried this tube size. Oh well I found some and have made my request for custom 40's. I don't want my ITB's pointing at my firewall, I want them as close to my hood as possible.

Here is where it all begins, the hours of fabrication. These are all the parts that went into making my ITB's, Runners, Fuel Rail and Vacuum Manifold.

And.......

here they are with those unbelievable hours of fabricating and grinding to get the angles right as well as the curve. I had to make it so that there would be as little bend in the inside track of the runner as possible. Some may have noticed that the runners I started with were a lot longer...well that's how long I needed them to achieve the curve without being to badly crushed in the bender. The amount that they did flatten matched the oval shape manifold ports 100%. I now have enough pipe to do 1 or 2 more sets depending on the runner length. I only used one and a half of the four.

Tapped and ready for welding

Fitted with the bottom half of my ram air GSXR air box. All measurements were double and triple checked to ensure this thing will fit snug in the available space.

Vacuum Manifoild & Custom Fuel Rail

Now some people are saying that what do you need a vacuum manifold for ITB's are un-tunable using vacuum. Well not to step on any toes but I need vacuum for more than just my MAP sensor. I need vacuum for my FPR and my break boost. Plus I had some spare tubing laying around and some aluminum end plugs so I did it. Now with my

Vacuum Manifold

My vacuum manifold is complete will all the factory vacuum line ports as you can see in the pic it is actually the factory vacuum housing from my parts manifold.

Fuel Rail

Well with a stock rail that came with my alternate intake manifold just laying around. I decided to play around a bit. I removed the plug from the end of the rail and drilled/chased it out to an inner diameter measuring the same as the over priced after-market fuel rails @ 1/2" and ported the inlet tube to match, not quit 1/2' but as close as I could get within pressure tolerances. There is still more than enough wall thickness to push the fuel pressure up to 80psi. Tested to 80psi and no further.

Here is a finished image of the Fuel rail and vacuum manifold complete in there tight little package. as small as I could make it.

And it fit's in nice and tight under the ram air induction ports.

And this is how it sits now waiting to have my engine rebuilt and my engine bay cleaned up.

I welded my runners directly to my throttle bodies

Complete with vacuum can and all stock vacuum line ports.


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best of the year!

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that looks real clean dude!

are you using the stock injector ports?

how's the tuning coming with that thing, anyhow? i'm lost when it comes to tuning and don't even know where to start. i'm thinking maybe a chipped p28? i dunno.

awesome build so far, tho.




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just wondering, how did you decide on the length of the runners? Did you calculate (somehow) what would work best or did you just pick a length that would best fit the car it's going into?

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Haven't started tuning yet. I chipped a P75 added VTEC & IAB and I'm using Crome Pro with a P30 ROM running ITB tools with VTEC disbled. I have a base map running on the car right now with the stock motor.

here is a vid of how the car runs right now with the chipped ECU
http://s133.photobucket.com/al...s.flv

I'm pulling the motor at the end of April. I have No time to work on it before then, Busy time at work. I have 2 Innovate LC-1's w/widband 02 sensors that I am going to use to tune it. I too was going to run with stock internals but I saved up some pennies with all the OT I've been work'n and I bought a custom camshaft from F22parts, and the Ultimate Valve train pacage from KMS Engine. I was going to go VTEC but figured with a cam purpose built for higher RPM no need for all the complex VTEC components, I can handle a rough Idle.

Last thing I did to the ITB's was gasket matching and polishing .....just trying to fill any spare time I do have with prepping my parts for assembly.

Oh forgot to mention that this is going into my daily driver...That is why I can't just yank it off the road with out time off work


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Quote, originally posted by "TouringAccord" »
just wondering, how did you decide on the length of the runners? Did you calculate (somehow) what would work best or did you just pick a length that would best fit the car it's going into?

I used a formula where the distance of the butterfly valves from the intake valve is in relation to the RPM range I was looking to run @ approx 6500-8000. That is why they seem longer than most. The short ones seem to be built for engines running in the higher RPM range 8000 - 10000. As well keeping the injectors in the stock location is in keeping with the lower RPM's. I have left the stock injector bungs in the GSXR location and honed them out to accept bosch style injectors if my plans don't work and I need to move the injectors up for better fuel atomization. or I'll add water injection somewhere down the line



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ah, ok. I thought there was a difference between the runner length and where the power is made I just couldn't remember exactly. Thats why I asked. Thanks for explaining it

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WOW... absolutely beautiful. You did a really nice job fabbing it up. The setup is really clean, too. Just make sure to do a wire tuck when you take the motor out... it'll look so much cleaner w/ just the itbs and nothing else... somewhat like this...





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there is a lot of work that went into that... filled unused holes, deleted radiator mounts, relocated battery, relocated fuse box, full SS brake lines, ect. I think to tuck an Accord to look like that would take even more work, but thats a different discussion. back on topic

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wow, cant wait to hear what this things will sound like with ITBs. how much HP are you aiming for?

i think this is the only serious F22 n/a build i have ever seen.

o yea, and post some pics of your car!



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holy crap!



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o yea, and post some pics of your car!

he posted a couple in the Accord Picture Thread


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Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord »

he posted a couple in the Accord Picture Thread

Good detective work, Johnson.



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Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord »
there is a lot of work that went into that... filled unused holes, deleted radiator mounts, relocated battery, relocated fuse box, full SS brake lines, ect. I think to tuck an Accord to look like that would take even more work, but thats a different discussion. back on topic

rhdune has actually done the wire tuck on his accord...


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yeah, I knew he was working on it a while ago, I just haven't seen pictures of it finished.

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Well, I am only allowed 5 posts in a 24Hr period so I'll try and merge all into one for now.

Quote, originally posted by "AccordSleeperZzZ" »
are you using the stock injector ports?

Yes I am going to try the stock injector ports first, using a set of DSM 450cc Black Top Injectors. As I mentioned I still have the GSXR ports plugged right now but I can remove the plugs and move them down, If the need arises.

Quote, originally posted by "rhdune16" »
Just make sure to do a wire tuck when you take the motor out... it'll look so much cleaner w/ just the itbs and nothing else... somewhat like this...

Man that looks sweet, very clean.....may have to try that next winter when I actualy store this thing in my garage and get ready for body and paint. After I throw the ITB's in her this spring, she'll never see the snow again as well this spring I will be getting rid of alot of the crap I won't need anymore, A/C components, EGR, Cruise Control. I think that will clean it up alot for now.

I do have one question about the wire tuck. Is the battery relocated to the trunk? If so what gauge wire will I need and will I need a higher output Alt. I have the AEM TRU Power Pulleys on it right now and it seems strained already????

Quote, originally posted by "pos_cd5" »
wow, cant wait to hear what this things will sound like with ITBs. how much HP are you aiming for?
i think this is the only serious F22 n/a build i have ever seen. o yea, and post some pics of your car!

Yeah me either, think it's going to sound pretty nasty

As for HP I'm not sure, HP gains are not the reason I'm doing this. It's the throttle response and getting off the line quick and accelerating out of the corners fast that I'm looking for, of course HP gains should be there and will be a welcome bennefit . High HP is great for 1/4 or strait runns but if you have HP and no torque ur F_ _ked in a street race with lots of curves. The back roads that I cruise on have tones of curves.

But to answer your Hp question more directly, I'll have to wait to see what comp ratio I end up with after getting my engine work done. I'm re-using my stock pistons and getting mill work done to the deack & head. With the calculations that I have done on paper .01 off both deck and head using a 2 layer head gasket should get me to around 9.8:1 CR close enought to 10 for me. If I need something higher I'll buy pistons next year.

Quote, originally posted by "raceACCORDingly" »
rhdune has actually done the wire tuck on his accord...

Nice work rhdune, how long did that take you....and what is the easyest way to get your engine and tranny to look like that? and don't tell me to buy new......
by the way nice Turbo setup

N/A for the best, Boost for the rest...lol jst-kd'n Cheers!

Thanks for all your positive coments, helps beat down all those nea sayers around here that are hopping that I fail misearably at this project....You Know who you are don't deny it......

Modified by GhostAccord at 2:41 PM 4/17/2007



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Quote, originally posted by GhostAccord »
Well, I am only allowed 5 posts in a 24Hr period so I'll try and merge all into one for now.

yeah, once you are a full memeber (no trial user under your screen name) you wont have any post restrictions.

Quote, originally posted by GhostAccord »
I do have one question about the wire tuck. Is the battery relocated to the trunk? If so what gauge wire will I need and will I need a higher output Alt.

yes, most people locate the battery in the truck. Some people with Civic/CRX/Integra have also used small batteries and made a custom bracket to fit it behind the bumper and out of the way. I don't think I've ever seen an Accord like that but I'm sure the same can be done.

As for the wire, 0-4 gauge.

I believe there is a link in the FAQ showing the way one person did their battery relocation.

side note:
I got to see rhdune16's car at a meet we went to today wait, I mean yesterday, ah... I need to go to bed. It's been a long day


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Very nice! What are you going to use for filters?



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Very nice! What are you going to use for filters?

Thanks, I am going to fab a sort of ram air / old school shaker style hood and intake system for it. I'm using the stock GSXR air box & K&N Filter and the Erebuni F3V fiberglass hood scoop that I bought.

These are pics that I took back in the mock-up stage pre-weld. Haven't taken another pic since. It shows the position that the air intakes will be when the ITB's are on the car.

It is probably going to restrict the air to throttles a little bit but oh well, when I need them open it will only be 4 little screws to take of the air box. The air box will also keep down some of the throttle body/engine noise for the every day drive.

If this plan fails I am going to use a set of universal fit K&N cone filters.




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Another 78' 502 Camaro
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As for the wire, 0-4 gauge.

I believe there is a link in the FAQ showing the way one person did their battery relocation.

Of course the FAQs, There is always alot of reading to do whenever ya join one of these forums and that is the place to start. Thanks TA I'll have to check them out when I have some time to spare.....before I ask another already answered question



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that hood idea is exactly what my brother wants to do with his.... looking good already and should be mean when you finish.



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Quote, originally posted by GhostAccord »
Of course the FAQs, There is always alot of reading to do whenever ya join one of these forums and that is the place to start. Thanks TA I'll have to check them out when I have some time to spare.....before I ask another already answered question

yep, no problem


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Well I don't get as excited as some over clear plastic bags with red "H's" on them but these parts make my heart beat a bit faster

1 step closer

....just waiting for the cam now.



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Another 78' 502 Camaro
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nice build



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Where did you get all the head gear if you don't mind me asking and how much$ did it set you back?



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