SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells......
06-08-2006, 01:49 PM
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SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells......
I am wondering if I will be able to run SFWD with this car. You can obviously see the turbo sticking through the hood, but i recently cut 1" from the wheel wells to clear the big street slick while I'm driving on the street.
06-08-2006, 02:03 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
I'm not sure about the hood, but I saw cut fenders in NOPI Power Street last year even though the rulebook stated against it.
06-08-2006, 02:37 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
you must get written permission from NHRA for the hood, you will have to send them pics etc.. And I believe you can cut up to 1 inch for NHRA but like others have said, just give them a call. Better be safe then sorry.
06-08-2006, 06:50 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
Why is the turbo sticking up so high? Can we get a motor shot to see the manifold design?
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06-08-2006, 09:26 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (matkeller)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by matkeller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you must get written permission from NHRA for the hood, you will have to send them pics etc.. And I believe you can cut up to 1 inch for NHRA but like others have said, just give them a call. Better be safe then sorry.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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06-09-2006, 04:37 AM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (sniperslayer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sniperslayer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any pictures of that manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>
we drive it to and from the track or it would have been.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sniperslayer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any pictures of that manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>
we made it specifically to draw attention (advertising). the manifold is actually an old school long runner manifold that we chopped up and made into a topmount. its really a piece of crap with small diameter runners but the car runs 140mph so it does the job for now.
Here is the only pic of the engine bay i have right now. I'll take one this weekend of the manifold, but its an abortion.
we drive it to and from the track or it would have been.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sniperslayer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any pictures of that manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>
we made it specifically to draw attention (advertising). the manifold is actually an old school long runner manifold that we chopped up and made into a topmount. its really a piece of crap with small diameter runners but the car runs 140mph so it does the job for now.
Here is the only pic of the engine bay i have right now. I'll take one this weekend of the manifold, but its an abortion.
06-09-2006, 08:13 AM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (Turbocivic94)
it still is his car but we sponser it and it has been living up here for a while now. he was out to sea for a couple month.
06-09-2006, 09:06 AM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
here are the photos of the manifold. tight fit, so not much to see. there also a photo of the wheel wells after we cut them.
06-09-2006, 09:47 AM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
I always thought that this SFWD class was a street car class and the cars had to be street legal?
I guess I am wrong on that since they started letting turbos stick out of the hood. In all honesty why (on a so called street car) does the turbo need to stick out of the hood? Yea sure kellers car has a turbo sticking out and runs really good but what is going on with this class?
SFWD is getting out of hand. Have to have written permission to be able to do it? Give me a break, let one car do it, let them all. As far as I'm concerned a turbo sticking out of the hood is not a street legal car and should not be alowed in the class. Hate me if you want but thats how I feel.
What good are rules and restrictions if you make exceptions to them?
to turbos being alowed to stick through hood on a street legal car.
I guess I am wrong on that since they started letting turbos stick out of the hood. In all honesty why (on a so called street car) does the turbo need to stick out of the hood? Yea sure kellers car has a turbo sticking out and runs really good but what is going on with this class?
SFWD is getting out of hand. Have to have written permission to be able to do it? Give me a break, let one car do it, let them all. As far as I'm concerned a turbo sticking out of the hood is not a street legal car and should not be alowed in the class. Hate me if you want but thats how I feel.
What good are rules and restrictions if you make exceptions to them?
to turbos being alowed to stick through hood on a street legal car.
06-09-2006, 10:13 AM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (80884)
wow!! how about them apples.
i also think this class has gone from a good class for shops who don't have the funds for fullout racecars or serious privateers to compete, but thats just not the case anymore.
we did it for show more than anything and this car is street driven just how you see it and i've never been pulled over for the turbo sticking through the hood. but i have been pulled over for the n1 muffer, go figure.
i also think this class has gone from a good class for shops who don't have the funds for fullout racecars or serious privateers to compete, but thats just not the case anymore.
we did it for show more than anything and this car is street driven just how you see it and i've never been pulled over for the turbo sticking through the hood. but i have been pulled over for the n1 muffer, go figure.
06-09-2006, 12:42 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
My comments were directed twords the class itself not people with the cars, but still. Rules are rules why make exeptions and like I said a turbo sticking out of the hood is not a street car.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trickeng »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we did it for show more than anything and this car is street driven just how you see it and i've never been pulled over for the turbo sticking through the hood. but i have been pulled over for the n1 muffer, go figure.
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Yea I understand that. I wasn't saying a turbo sticking through the hood is a bad thing, just for a street car class I don't see how it can be alowed. I've driven 140+ in a 65mph zone and didn't get pulled over, that doesn't mean it makes it legal. This state, PA....not legal. At the same time I could get a different title for my car and you don't need bumpers, hood or fenders and it would be street legal so I guess that would be legal in SFWD than as well?
What I'm saying is people need to start defining these "street legal" cars that run around with turbos sticking out of the hood. I see cars driving around all the time with turbos sticking out of the hood
HRSFWD is what the class should be called soon.
I'm sure people will get mad at me for what I say but oh well. I say how I feel and I know that not everyone thinks the same.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trickeng »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we did it for show more than anything and this car is street driven just how you see it and i've never been pulled over for the turbo sticking through the hood. but i have been pulled over for the n1 muffer, go figure.
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Yea I understand that. I wasn't saying a turbo sticking through the hood is a bad thing, just for a street car class I don't see how it can be alowed. I've driven 140+ in a 65mph zone and didn't get pulled over, that doesn't mean it makes it legal. This state, PA....not legal. At the same time I could get a different title for my car and you don't need bumpers, hood or fenders and it would be street legal so I guess that would be legal in SFWD than as well?
What I'm saying is people need to start defining these "street legal" cars that run around with turbos sticking out of the hood. I see cars driving around all the time with turbos sticking out of the hood
HRSFWD is what the class should be called soon.
I'm sure people will get mad at me for what I say but oh well. I say how I feel and I know that not everyone thinks the same.
06-09-2006, 01:28 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (80884)
Tell me what car in SFWD class gets driven on the streets?
99% of SFWD cars are shop cars and its very hard for average person to compete at these levels.
99% of SFWD cars are shop cars and its very hard for average person to compete at these levels.
06-09-2006, 02:15 PM
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (Turbocivic94)
I'm not sure which cars do and don't get driven. It doesn't really have anything to do with if they actually get driven on the street or not, they should be legal to drive down the street.
The class is set up between a rock and a hard place. You pretty much need a racecar to be able to compete, a racecar made street legal. This class is where most of the Honda comunity would run their cars. They should keep it that way and not let it progress into a not quite hotrod class but not street cars either. Insted of making exceptions and alowing cars to go faster in the class they should just make another class and let the ones that want the "not driven on street street cars" run against other cars just like them while alowing people that do drive these cars to continue what they are doing and still have a competative class to race in.
I'm not trying to **** people off and I'm not mad at anyone. I'm just trying to figure out why this class needs turbos sticking out of the hood? OK, one reason why is this...If you want to build one of these cars it costs alot of money I understand that, if you want to build a hot rod car it costs alot more money, if your average guy that has a fwd running 10's wants to get into this level of racing he might as well give up, turning more and more cars away from the class everyday. It's a big step to fill the gap between sfwd and hot rod but at the same time to even be close to competative in sfwd you need a lot of money to do so. Is the sfwd class going to fill the gap between hot rod and sfwd? I doubt that, so the best thing for them to do is take these 9 sec fwd honda "street" cars and make another class for this level of racer. Or try to get the sfwd cars to run close to the times of hod rod so a jump to hotrod would not be as bad. If they do this (alowing turbos and non real street car stuff in the class) then your going to end up with this.
Hot rod - shop cars with lots of money, can afford to run these cars
SFWD - shop cars that can't keep a hotrod car running competatively but find this level competative and can afford to do it this way.
Ok so wheres the everage guy that loves racing at these events go that has a 10 sec car? Brackets? Why not do this....
Hot rod - shop cars with lots of money, can afford to run these cars
semi hot rod (SHR) - shop cars that can't keep a hotrod car running competatively but find this level competative and can afford to do it this way.
SFWD - class that the average guy with a 10 sec fwd car can run in and be competative. there are alot more of these out there then there are 9 sec street legal shop cars out there but they don't have the money to spend to make the car run 9's. So what happens to these guys when you try to extend their class to go faster? Not hard to figure out, you lose them.
The class that started most of this is the sport front wheel drive class, where your average guy that could make a car go 10's (not cheap) could get into and be competative and enjoy going back to race after race. What do you have now? SHOP front wheel drive class that unless you have a shop you might as well not even try to get into the class. So take that car you spent all that money on, the average non shop working guy and either sell the car or run at a local track not affiliated with nhra sport compact drag racing.
This is WAY off topic so this is what I will do. To the original poster, e-mail some pictures to NHRA tech and see what they say. Ask their tech guys if they will alow it. If they do thats great. That will get what you asked answered. Sorry if I didn't help at all answering your original question. I will take all of this other info that was brought up and start a new thread to discuss this stuff.
The class is set up between a rock and a hard place. You pretty much need a racecar to be able to compete, a racecar made street legal. This class is where most of the Honda comunity would run their cars. They should keep it that way and not let it progress into a not quite hotrod class but not street cars either. Insted of making exceptions and alowing cars to go faster in the class they should just make another class and let the ones that want the "not driven on street street cars" run against other cars just like them while alowing people that do drive these cars to continue what they are doing and still have a competative class to race in.
I'm not trying to **** people off and I'm not mad at anyone. I'm just trying to figure out why this class needs turbos sticking out of the hood? OK, one reason why is this...If you want to build one of these cars it costs alot of money I understand that, if you want to build a hot rod car it costs alot more money, if your average guy that has a fwd running 10's wants to get into this level of racing he might as well give up, turning more and more cars away from the class everyday. It's a big step to fill the gap between sfwd and hot rod but at the same time to even be close to competative in sfwd you need a lot of money to do so. Is the sfwd class going to fill the gap between hot rod and sfwd? I doubt that, so the best thing for them to do is take these 9 sec fwd honda "street" cars and make another class for this level of racer. Or try to get the sfwd cars to run close to the times of hod rod so a jump to hotrod would not be as bad. If they do this (alowing turbos and non real street car stuff in the class) then your going to end up with this.
Hot rod - shop cars with lots of money, can afford to run these cars
SFWD - shop cars that can't keep a hotrod car running competatively but find this level competative and can afford to do it this way.
Ok so wheres the everage guy that loves racing at these events go that has a 10 sec car? Brackets? Why not do this....
Hot rod - shop cars with lots of money, can afford to run these cars
semi hot rod (SHR) - shop cars that can't keep a hotrod car running competatively but find this level competative and can afford to do it this way.
SFWD - class that the average guy with a 10 sec fwd car can run in and be competative. there are alot more of these out there then there are 9 sec street legal shop cars out there but they don't have the money to spend to make the car run 9's. So what happens to these guys when you try to extend their class to go faster? Not hard to figure out, you lose them.
The class that started most of this is the sport front wheel drive class, where your average guy that could make a car go 10's (not cheap) could get into and be competative and enjoy going back to race after race. What do you have now? SHOP front wheel drive class that unless you have a shop you might as well not even try to get into the class. So take that car you spent all that money on, the average non shop working guy and either sell the car or run at a local track not affiliated with nhra sport compact drag racing.
This is WAY off topic so this is what I will do. To the original poster, e-mail some pictures to NHRA tech and see what they say. Ask their tech guys if they will alow it. If they do thats great. That will get what you asked answered. Sorry if I didn't help at all answering your original question. I will take all of this other info that was brought up and start a new thread to discuss this stuff.
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (trickeng)
...wow, thats a tight squeeze in that engine bay. besides tryin to find
out if they will let you run in sfwd with the turbo stickin out of the hood
like that, do you have all the other **** you need to pass tech?(ie. cage, chute, window net, scatter shield, cutoff switch, spill pan).
on another note, the amount of money it takes to be competitive in sfwd is getting out of control. i mean dam..a 10sec. car aint cuttin it no more. For sure the way this is headed, they are bound to change the rule on turbo size.
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (80884)
im tired of everybody always bitching about classes getting to "expensive" to compete in. Also the rules are fine the way they are.
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Re: SFWD Rules Question Turbo through hood and cut wheel wells...... (miller)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by miller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im tired of everybody always bitching about classes getting to "expensive" to compete in. Also the rules are fine the way they are.</TD></TR></TABLE>
They are fine the way they are, street legal. Turbos sticking out of hoods are not street legal. And why would you have to get approval for a turbo sticking out of the hood anyway? Aparently in SFWD you are alowed turbos sticking out of the hood since there is one car like that already right? Or is it just that car that gets to do it? I don't see anywhere in that rulebook that states "turbo is alowed to project outside of car by x amount of inches" and there is one car with one sticking out already. So common sence would project that it is legal for the class correct?
I'm not bitching about the classes being to expensive. One of your own NRG guys said
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostfeen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on another note, the amount of money it takes to be competitive in sfwd is getting out of control. i mean dam..a 10sec. car aint cuttin it no more. </TD></TR></TABLE>. also
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">99% of SFWD cars are shop cars and its very hard for average person to compete at these levels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If these classes are not too "expensive" then why are most of these shop cars in this class anyway. I mean if it isn't "expensive" then why not run the hotrod class and you won't have to worry about the street legal stuff?
99% are not shop cars anyway. Maybe 99% of the ones that ran this year are. It makes sence tho, why try to build a 9 sec street legal fwd car when there are already 9 cars in that class that have run 9's (maybe more). Hmmm I wonder what happened to all the other sfwd cars that haven't run 9's or a low 10 yet. I'm willing to bet that they see no need to try to run in the class.
It's great to see the cars running the times that they do but there comes a point where you need to somehow divide it up to keep people interested in racing thier own cars.
Competative racing is expensive regardless of how you look at it. I don't see how you can say it isn't.
How about someone get a strait answer right form pat on weather a turbo sticking out of the hood is legal or not. I mean if it is legal there should be no problem, if it isn't legal he will tell you.
People are awfully defensive on this forum.
They are fine the way they are, street legal. Turbos sticking out of hoods are not street legal. And why would you have to get approval for a turbo sticking out of the hood anyway? Aparently in SFWD you are alowed turbos sticking out of the hood since there is one car like that already right? Or is it just that car that gets to do it? I don't see anywhere in that rulebook that states "turbo is alowed to project outside of car by x amount of inches" and there is one car with one sticking out already. So common sence would project that it is legal for the class correct?
I'm not bitching about the classes being to expensive. One of your own NRG guys said
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostfeen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on another note, the amount of money it takes to be competitive in sfwd is getting out of control. i mean dam..a 10sec. car aint cuttin it no more. </TD></TR></TABLE>. also
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">99% of SFWD cars are shop cars and its very hard for average person to compete at these levels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If these classes are not too "expensive" then why are most of these shop cars in this class anyway. I mean if it isn't "expensive" then why not run the hotrod class and you won't have to worry about the street legal stuff?
99% are not shop cars anyway. Maybe 99% of the ones that ran this year are. It makes sence tho, why try to build a 9 sec street legal fwd car when there are already 9 cars in that class that have run 9's (maybe more). Hmmm I wonder what happened to all the other sfwd cars that haven't run 9's or a low 10 yet. I'm willing to bet that they see no need to try to run in the class.
It's great to see the cars running the times that they do but there comes a point where you need to somehow divide it up to keep people interested in racing thier own cars.
Competative racing is expensive regardless of how you look at it. I don't see how you can say it isn't.
How about someone get a strait answer right form pat on weather a turbo sticking out of the hood is legal or not. I mean if it is legal there should be no problem, if it isn't legal he will tell you.
People are awfully defensive on this forum.