ZUL8R

this is from the Saturday Race. I dont know what else to say

Enjoy!! BTW im driving the H4 honda Accord Ive got another video put together of all the contact that took place.

http://video.google.com/videop...99657

Back in Black

Nice vid! Thanks for sharing

CRX Toad

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Evan55

my sunday vid (saturday vid coming soon)
http://www.vmix.com/viewVideo.php?ID=335033

gabebauman

sidtc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZUL8R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is from the Saturday Race. I dont know what else to say

Enjoy!! BTW im driving the H4 honda Accord Ive got another video put together of all the contact that took place.

http://video.google.com/videop...99657</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's enough to give the race director grey hair. Nice video!

ZUL8R

heres a shorter version of the action ....


Extra, Extra, Read all about it!!


http://video.google.com/videop...=true

hondachick81

I liked this video...
http://video.google.com/videop...=true


seems as though the two rx7s are having their own "private" race and being track hogs. I know its still a race between all racers even though they aren't in the same class, but it would of been nice to see lionel and shane get around those guys.

is that why the rx7s are contrasting colors so they can bump each other all race and the paint matches.

paRRRker

alot of those attempted passes =

kinda glad i didnt make cmp if people were driving like that

BudMan

Wow - remind me to buy some extra body panels before I race nasa.

Nice job avoiding MANY accidents. Holy smokes, I'm not sure what else to say.

BudMan

I must add....the accord got more dq points than anybody??? Um - how about the civic???

I must not understand nasa rules. Nascar aint' got anything over nasa

I hope that isn't representative of the normal weekend. I couldn't afford that kind of body work every week.

**MUST GET TO TRACK NOW&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;**

June 10-11 Heartland Park runs the full course including the carousel!!!!

ZUL8R

RESULTS
http://nasaracing.net/CMP_May_06/event_results.htm


http://nasaracing.net/CMP_May_....html

bosco500

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Nice job avoiding MANY accidents. Holy smokes, I'm not sure what else to say.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That was just some nasty racing. I've always said how much cleaner nasa races (usually) are than the "other". I'm glad I didnt make it there.

Lyonel 13H4

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Danielle here-
no the accord did not. yes he was found at fault for at least 1 incident & for that one got the most points- but did not walk away with the overall "high score."
not all the contact got reviewed/protested. also, you get a point for contact even if you are deemed "not at fault." but for what did get reviewed/protested....
yes the civic (Lyonel) got points/dq for the turn where he tried to pass on inside at end, lost it & blocked track causing contact. He admitted fault to that right off the bat, even though the other driver had tried to apologize to Lyonel for hitting him & was trying to claim it as his fault- Lyonel made sure it was clear to officials that it was his (Lyonel's) fault & insisted that he take the dq, points & responsibility for that one.
He has made an identical clean pass there before (previous races- so knew it could be done clean). Traction was bad there, at first he assumed it was just getting into the marbles & they were worse than he had ever remembered there, but on review of the in-car posted, noticed that one of the rx7s did lose his engine or something, we believe there, if you notice the accord wiggled same turn the following lap after that incident & the rx7 is limping off track- we think something was layed down in that turn. Not that it makes it ok- but he was trying to give room which is why he was so far to the left & there may have been a traction issue on top.
As for the other incident (that was protested) involving the Civic it went under review by officials & it was found that Lyonel was not at fault- although he did get 1 point for contact. Lyonel knew that one was 100% not his fault before discussion even began- partly because there was no where for that car to go (physics) even had Lyon's car not been there someone else would've been hit. This incident is the one that did the most damage to our car...which was I believe the most damaged car of all the HC cars out there.

Accidents/bad judgement can happen- we all should know that, but least Lyonel is willing to admit when he is at fault- sadly you can't say that about all others. The scary part about it is the fact that since they don't see it being their fault, don't understand why it was their fault, don't listen to others about why it was deemed their fault, they continue to do it... that is the part that bothers me.

the 2 rx7s were brothers (explains a lot to me) & the only 2 in their class.
They did not protest/ask for review of any incident they were in (no surprise eh) so as far as dq points go those incidents "didn't count." Although they did come talk to those they rubbed with- well at least us & it was nothing hostile towards us- they understood what they were doing & the impact it had on the drivers trying to run their own race despite being trapped behind them.
They did cause quite a bit of the problems, just due to their sheer unpredictability & the frustration of those trapped behind.

Evan55

which contact was the accord's fault? It seemed to me from the video that the contact in t13 the accord was alongside and lionel didnt see him and turned into him
i didnt see any other contact involving the accord, except a couple near misses where he stuck his nose where it shouldnt have been

ZUL8R

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thats exactly what happened

obviously the officials see it different. I had FUN though, glad noone got hurt, i lost 3 pts, that sucks.. i get to buy karl Another fender and headlight

Lyonel 13H4

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i didnt see any other contact involving the accord, except a couple near misses where he stuck his nose where it shouldnt have been</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lyonel did see him. The contact occurred b/c he (Lyonel) had entered the turn first although yes it wasn't by much but he had the turn.
He had already turned in/"committed" just before the accord dove in and at that point thanks to physics he could not pull over/change his line to avoid contact by then. (And if you question this- look at the line the 3 cars were taking through there in comparison to the accord- unless you consider their line & turn in points- yes it does at first glance seem different.)
Remember also that it is the responsibility of the car attempting the pass to be able to complete the pass clean. From what I see, that was not the case.

We can agree to disagree here, but the officials did side with Lyonel on that incident....and I get to buy a new door, have body work done on the main body behind the door as well thanks to that incident.

but whatever....
glad nobody was hurt & everyones car was still drivable.
hope there in no animosity/ill feelings...as there aren't from this household.

Oh- and as far as the comment someone made about buying spare body panels before racing NASA- it is no more or less likely to occur between SCCA than NASA. Trust us- we ran our first SCCA race since 2001 at the onset of 2004 & ended up spending all the rest of 2004 & the onset of 2005 building a new car thanks to a bonsai move made by a Miata coming down the hill onto the straight at Road Atlanta during an enduro (Miata took himself & us into the wall destroying both cars).... if the Spec Miatas are in your run group in SCCA & they will be if you are in a Honda, watch out. There are threads upon threads on this topic regarding the scca "wreck miatas" if you look for them. Knock on wood, at least we've never lost a car with NASA, can't say that about the other guys. And I'll also point out the 2 rx7s are scca racers- "ITS" all over the car.
Still we run both- as we realize stuff happens when you chose this hobby (aka sickness/addiction.)



Modified by Lyonel 13H4 at 11:09 AM 5/12/2006

BudMan

Lyonel -

I'm in SCCA, but with a Type R I'm either in ITE or EP...no miatas there! ITE for my region runs World Challenge rules. I'm the cheapest car in the bunch for sure.

I appreciate the comments in this thread. Quite helpful!!! It's good to see a thread without b/s for once.

ZUL8R

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Lyonel did see him.
He had already turned in/"committed" just before the accord dove in and at that point thanks to physics he could not pull over/change his line to avoid contact by then.

Modified by Lyonel 13H4 at 11:03 AM 5/12/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you watch,, apx. 11 minutes into the full race video at 11 min 55 sec. you see i change my line real quick into 1.


theres more on this fabulous topic here.. http://www.roadrace-autox.com/...art=1


Modified by ZUL8R at 2:24 PM 5/12/2006

Lyonel 13H4

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BudMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lyonel -

I'm in SCCA, but with a Type R I'm either in ITE or EP...no miatas there! ITE for my region runs World Challenge rules. I'm the cheapest car in the bunch for sure.

I appreciate the comments in this thread. Quite helpful!!! It's good to see a thread without b/s for once. </TD></TR></TABLE>

(Actually this is Danielle his wife)
Contemplating a move possibly to EP in the somewhat near future- not this year, depends on how the ARRC goes as to timing. (Lyonel needs a faster car & I want my own car anyhow- I'm over sharing & ready to get re-licensed....the fact that I drive & I know most of you guys didn't know that shows how that sharing thing has not worked out too great for us, & I want a "slower" ITC/H5 car & he wants/is ready for a faster one)
But for our region Pro-IT is what we are now running in SCCA- it is a regional only deal though. But no Miatas (unless they are IT Miatas which are a different breed.)
We are so over the NASA vs. SCCA rants though.

ok back on topic -didn't mean to hijack the CMP thread...




Modified by Lyonel 13H4 at 12:10 PM 5/12/2006

Lyonel 13H4

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if you watch,, apx. 11 minutes into the full race video at 11 min 55 sec. you see i change my line real quick into 1.

theres more on this fabulous topic here.. http://www.roadrace-autox.com/...art=1

Modified by ZUL8R at 2:24 PM 5/12/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

look man i'm not going to argue as i sense you are getting peeved & don't want to create problems between us in the future. we will be out there on track with you again. thought you ran a great race. was not trying to imply that Lyonel is better than you or flawless. just wanted to comment on our view as you had already put your view out there & you commented about it costing you fenders- it will cost us way more than that to fix our car. (Danielle)




Modified by Lyonel 13H4 at 11:45 AM 5/12/2006

Catch 22

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thats exactly what happened

obviously the officials see it different. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Shane.
That thing in turn 13 was completely your fault. You can't come from someone's left rear to the right under braking and not expect to get turned down on. That's a textbook "divebomb" pass and you are doing alot of that in that video.

You must do two things or you are going to get DQ'd alot and make alot of enemies...
1. Learn to identify when its your mistake (we all make them) and accept the responsibility.
2. Learn to set up your passes instead of just jumping people under braking at the last minute. That rarely works.

Also, you are early apexing the hell out of that track. Your torque is the only thing that even kept you in contact with Lyonel.
People kept driving across your nose exiting the carousel because you were wayyyyy too shallow and offline. Thats why you kept having to pluck at the throttle trying to get on to that short straight.

Just trying to help. There are lots more similar comments over on that other site that I can't mention here (common sense).

Scott, who wasn't going to post but couldn't sit back and watch Lyonel get fingers pointed at him for Shane's banzai attempt.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

Honda318dx

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Just trying to help. There are lots more similar comments over on that other site that I can't mention here (common sense).

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I read the other side, nothing seemed bad..

At least the contact wasn't blamed on GK. - Disclaimer - This was a joke, I think everyone can sit back and laugh at it

To be honest Shane, I took a BIG gasp when I saw that dive into T13 I wouldn't have done it, and I usually stick my nose in a lot of places it shouldn't be, like inside oaktree trying to punt Cobetto's car..

ZUL8R

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Your torque is the only thing that even kept you in contact with Lyonel.
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Honda... Torque


No really.... Kent, Reamer, and I spoke afterwards, thats all that matters. Thanks for all the input