BEST TIRE
02-14-2006, 08:59 AM
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Re: BEST TIRE (The_General)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The_General »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fuzion ZRi.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not a good recommendation here. The Fuzion ZRi is similar to the ES100 and SPT mentioned earlier. Not a bad tire for someone who's looking for "bang for the buck" tires, but not a good choice for someone looking for high performance like this person is.
Not a good recommendation here. The Fuzion ZRi is similar to the ES100 and SPT mentioned earlier. Not a bad tire for someone who's looking for "bang for the buck" tires, but not a good choice for someone looking for high performance like this person is.
02-14-2006, 10:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KillaB18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about the Falken GR-BETA FK-451's</TD></TR></TABLE>
Crappy tire, performance not as good as the ES100 or SPT. Not even close.
Crappy tire, performance not as good as the ES100 or SPT. Not even close.
02-14-2006, 12:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KillaB18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so whats a good tire for 205/45/R16 for daily driving, some autox'ing and that has a decent wear to it</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Goodyear F1 GS-D3 is excellent for all those purposes. It's outstanding in every way - great dry traction, great on wet roads, lasts a long time too. At $131 it's not inexpensive, but it's a great tire.
If you want a tire that doesn't cost that much, and you don't mind sacrificing a little bit of performance, the Kumho Ecsta SPT ($74) and the Yokohama ES100 ($82) are both great tires for the money.
The Goodyear F1 GS-D3 is excellent for all those purposes. It's outstanding in every way - great dry traction, great on wet roads, lasts a long time too. At $131 it's not inexpensive, but it's a great tire.
If you want a tire that doesn't cost that much, and you don't mind sacrificing a little bit of performance, the Kumho Ecsta SPT ($74) and the Yokohama ES100 ($82) are both great tires for the money.
02-14-2006, 07:36 PM
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Re: (nsxtasy)
I have tried quite a few tires at this point.
Toyo Proxies3 = garbage
Khumo 712 = garbage
Yoko ES100 = pretty good all-rounder
Falken RT215 = Best dry grip of any tire I have had, scary in the rain ( obviously not made anymore, but the 615 would be comparable )
Falken ST-115s = good tire better than the ES100
My personal fav: Cooper Zeon 2XS. Great dry grip. Good in the rain. Fantastic wear. Stiffest sidewall of any tire I have ever seen. Tiresavings.com is where I get mine.
Toyo Proxies3 = garbage
Khumo 712 = garbage
Yoko ES100 = pretty good all-rounder
Falken RT215 = Best dry grip of any tire I have had, scary in the rain ( obviously not made anymore, but the 615 would be comparable )
Falken ST-115s = good tire better than the ES100
My personal fav: Cooper Zeon 2XS. Great dry grip. Good in the rain. Fantastic wear. Stiffest sidewall of any tire I have ever seen. Tiresavings.com is where I get mine.
02-20-2006, 02:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by erikiksaz1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nsxtasy, I've always wondered, what's your take on Federal tires?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've never tried them, but I'm generally leery of off-brand tires (Federal, Wanli, Cooper, etc). You never see them tested side by side against the name brand tires. Without any comparative information about them, it's a real crapshoot and you may get stuck with tires that are just cheap and not very good at all. You can find lower-performance models of big name brand tires at $30-40 each at the Tire Rack and elsewhere, and although they are never as good as the best summer tires in the $50-60 range, there's no reason to think that the off-brands will be any better than these other name brand tires the same price at the Tire Rack. At least with the name brands, you can see tests (like on the Tire Rack website) and find out how they compare with each other. And occasionally one of the lesser-known brands at the Tire Rack does pretty well for a pretty low price (e.g. the General UHP).
I've never tried them, but I'm generally leery of off-brand tires (Federal, Wanli, Cooper, etc). You never see them tested side by side against the name brand tires. Without any comparative information about them, it's a real crapshoot and you may get stuck with tires that are just cheap and not very good at all. You can find lower-performance models of big name brand tires at $30-40 each at the Tire Rack and elsewhere, and although they are never as good as the best summer tires in the $50-60 range, there's no reason to think that the off-brands will be any better than these other name brand tires the same price at the Tire Rack. At least with the name brands, you can see tests (like on the Tire Rack website) and find out how they compare with each other. And occasionally one of the lesser-known brands at the Tire Rack does pretty well for a pretty low price (e.g. the General UHP).
goodyear f1 gs-d3 . tire rack has 195-50-15 for $88 . going to go good on my si rims. 
best street tire.
02-20-2006, 05:38 PM
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Re: (chasedatteg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chasedatteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SAME AS GOODYEAR?</TD></TR></TABLE>
What? Is what the same as Goodyear?
What? Is what the same as Goodyear?
02-20-2006, 07:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by voltronR34 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cooper is NOT off-brand. Ever hear of Avon race tires? Same company</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cooper is a smaller manufacturer of tires whose brands include Avon, Mastercraft, and others. Their Cooper brand name is differentiated primarily by its marketing; Cooper tires are marketed primarily through mechanic shops, rather than tire stores. If you see a tire brochure at your local independent mechanic, chances are pretty good that it will be for Cooper tires. In that sense, it's still an off brand. Similarly, their Mastercraft brand is marketed primarily through independent tire shops, rather than the major tire chain stores. Neither is sold by big retailers like the Tire Rack or Discount Tire (although the Avon brand is). And that's why you won't see comparison tests of Cooper Tires. Which is why buying them is such a crapshoot.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chasedatteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SAME AS GOODYEAR?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Cooper has nothing to do with Goodyear. I think you're thinking of Sumitomo, which has a "marketing alliance" with Goodyear. Technically, they are separate companies, but they work together. (Sumitomo makes tires under its own name as well as under other brand names, including Falken.)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cooper is a smaller manufacturer of tires whose brands include Avon, Mastercraft, and others. Their Cooper brand name is differentiated primarily by its marketing; Cooper tires are marketed primarily through mechanic shops, rather than tire stores. If you see a tire brochure at your local independent mechanic, chances are pretty good that it will be for Cooper tires. In that sense, it's still an off brand. Similarly, their Mastercraft brand is marketed primarily through independent tire shops, rather than the major tire chain stores. Neither is sold by big retailers like the Tire Rack or Discount Tire (although the Avon brand is). And that's why you won't see comparison tests of Cooper Tires. Which is why buying them is such a crapshoot.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chasedatteg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SAME AS GOODYEAR?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Cooper has nothing to do with Goodyear. I think you're thinking of Sumitomo, which has a "marketing alliance" with Goodyear. Technically, they are separate companies, but they work together. (Sumitomo makes tires under its own name as well as under other brand names, including Falken.)
02-20-2006, 08:00 PM
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Re: (nsxtasy)
Its fine if you think that, it is however an opinion. I use Cooper tires top tire and comparing them to the other tires I have used, they are superior. Not a crapshoot in any way
02-20-2006, 09:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by voltronR34 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its fine if you think that, it is however an opinion. I use Cooper tires top tire and comparing them to the other tires I have used, they are superior. Not a crapshoot in any way</TD></TR></TABLE>
To me, someone on the internet saying they are "superior" is about as much of a crapshoot as I could think of. Contrast that against a side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website that says that X tire is 0.10 second faster on dry pavement on a 30-second autocross course than some other tire, information that to me is a lot more meaningful.
No offense, but unless you're a professional race car driver, one person's opinion on the internet is just that - one person's opinion. Again, I'm not saying that Cooper tires are bad. But I have not seen anyone provide objective, quantified data comparing them against other tires, which is (to me) second only to trying them out myself. One person saying "I like 'em" doesn't convince me of anything. Sorry.
To me, someone on the internet saying they are "superior" is about as much of a crapshoot as I could think of. Contrast that against a side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website that says that X tire is 0.10 second faster on dry pavement on a 30-second autocross course than some other tire, information that to me is a lot more meaningful.
No offense, but unless you're a professional race car driver, one person's opinion on the internet is just that - one person's opinion. Again, I'm not saying that Cooper tires are bad. But I have not seen anyone provide objective, quantified data comparing them against other tires, which is (to me) second only to trying them out myself. One person saying "I like 'em" doesn't convince me of anything. Sorry.
02-20-2006, 09:32 PM
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I agree, and one guy saying something is good should not be good enough for you. Data like the Tire Rack provides is always preferable.
All I am trying to say is that I have been on a bunch of different tires, autox, HPDE, and drift days and the Cooper are the best of all the tires I have tried. I don't want to see them lumped in with the Wanlis and Generals or whatever.
All I am trying to say is that I have been on a bunch of different tires, autox, HPDE, and drift days and the Cooper are the best of all the tires I have tried. I don't want to see them lumped in with the Wanlis and Generals or whatever.
02-20-2006, 09:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iLOVEmyEMone »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do the hankook rs2's compare to azenis?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Azenis are stickier and turn faster times on an autocross course. (Both tires were included in a tire test in Grassroots Motorsports magazine last August, and the Azenis had faster lap times.)
Both tires wear very rapidly, so you won't get as many miles on them as other, less sticky tires.
They're similar in price (since last month, when Falken lowered the price on the Azenis).
Azenis are stickier and turn faster times on an autocross course. (Both tires were included in a tire test in Grassroots Motorsports magazine last August, and the Azenis had faster lap times.)
Both tires wear very rapidly, so you won't get as many miles on them as other, less sticky tires.
They're similar in price (since last month, when Falken lowered the price on the Azenis).
02-20-2006, 10:44 PM
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Dunlop Direzza DZ101
Ultra High Performance Summer
205/50VR15 $56.00
http://www.tiresavings.com
any one try those?
Modified by fake mugen power at 7:57 AM 2/21/2006
Ultra High Performance Summer
205/50VR15 $56.00
http://www.tiresavings.com
any one try those?
Modified by fake mugen power at 7:57 AM 2/21/2006
02-20-2006, 10:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fake mugen power »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any one try those? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The Dunlop Direzza DZ101 is a very good "budget performance tire", similar to the Yokohama ES100 and the Kumho Ecsta SPT. Good performance and good treadlife at a bargain price.
The 205/50-15 size is $11 less per tire than the place you mentioned at Edge Racing, which has had them on sale for $45 per tire for a while now. (Yes, it's a super bargain, if you can use that size!)
Remember, though, that the original poster was looking for high performance, rather than "bang for the buck". The DZ101 and ES100 and SPT are great tires for the money, but not as good as the best tires you can get, such as the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (in 195/50-15) or the Falken Azenis RT-615 (in 205/50-15).
Also, the DZ101 doesn't come in 195/50-15 or 195/55-15.
The Dunlop Direzza DZ101 is a very good "budget performance tire", similar to the Yokohama ES100 and the Kumho Ecsta SPT. Good performance and good treadlife at a bargain price.
The 205/50-15 size is $11 less per tire than the place you mentioned at Edge Racing, which has had them on sale for $45 per tire for a while now. (Yes, it's a super bargain, if you can use that size!)
Remember, though, that the original poster was looking for high performance, rather than "bang for the buck". The DZ101 and ES100 and SPT are great tires for the money, but not as good as the best tires you can get, such as the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (in 195/50-15) or the Falken Azenis RT-615 (in 205/50-15).
Also, the DZ101 doesn't come in 195/50-15 or 195/55-15.
02-20-2006, 10:58 PM
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I really liked the old falken azenis, i miss those, becuase they were in my budget range, and were good for all around street, and HPDE days.
Would those Direzza's compare?
maybe ill just have to try them, they are tempting.
Would those Direzza's compare?
maybe ill just have to try them, they are tempting.
02-21-2006, 12:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fake mugen power »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really liked the old falken azenis, i miss those, becuase they were in my budget range, and were good for all around street, and HPDE days.
Would those Direzza's compare?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, not at all.
Of course, the old Azenis were REALLY expensive, when you took into account that you had to buy new ones three times as often as you would with tires like the ES100 or the Direzza. But they stuck like glue.
If you liked the old Azenis RT-215, then get the new Azenis RT-615. They're similar in price ($78/tire). And they'll wear out just as quickly, too.
Would those Direzza's compare?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, not at all.
Of course, the old Azenis were REALLY expensive, when you took into account that you had to buy new ones three times as often as you would with tires like the ES100 or the Direzza. But they stuck like glue.
If you liked the old Azenis RT-215, then get the new Azenis RT-615. They're similar in price ($78/tire). And they'll wear out just as quickly, too.
02-21-2006, 12:48 AM
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Re: BEST TIRE (iLOVEmyEMone)
I still say that the GOODYEAR EAGLE F1 is the best tire bar none. Tests have proven it. They are cheaper than yokohoma, Falken, Toyo and all the otehr brands, and they out perform too. Just look at the tread pattern. It looks sick.
02-21-2006, 05:17 AM
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This turned into an "ask nsxtasy what he thinks about the tires you are going to purchase" thread. 
Anyway, I have not seen mention of my favorite tire to date (although I haven't driven on many different top of the line tires)
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Positions.
Amazing in the dry and wet (although I have never driven on either the Falken Azenis) and the treadlife doesnt seem to be that bad. Price seems to be on par with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131, again i have never driven on the Goodyears). So nsxtasy, how do these compare to the other tires like the falken and goodyear?
Anyway, I have not seen mention of my favorite tire to date (although I haven't driven on many different top of the line tires)
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Positions.
Amazing in the dry and wet (although I have never driven on either the Falken Azenis) and the treadlife doesnt seem to be that bad. Price seems to be on par with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131, again i have never driven on the Goodyears). So nsxtasy, how do these compare to the other tires like the falken and goodyear?
02-21-2006, 10:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboEM1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have not seen mention of my favorite tire to date (although I haven't driven on many different top of the line tires)
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Positions.
Amazing in the dry and wet (although I have never driven on either the Falken Azenis) and the treadlife doesnt seem to be that bad. Price seems to be on par with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131, again i have never driven on the Goodyears). So nsxtasy, how do these compare to the other tires like the falken and goodyear?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The S-03 is a very good tire, similar in performance to the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. (There's a side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack site; the Bridgestone was slightly better in some things, the Goodyear slightly better in others.) However, price is NOT on a par at all. In most sizes, the F1 GS-D3 is significantly less expensive, which is why I usually recommend the Goodyear for someone looking primarily for performance. The S-03 doesn't come in 205/45-16, but to give you an idea of the price spread, in 195/50-15 the F1 GS-D3 is $88 vs $114 for the S-03; in 215/40-17 the F1 GS-D3 is $138 vs $206 for the S-03. So the S-03 costs 30-50 percent more than the F1 GS-D3. Also, I know you can't always judge treadlife from the sidewall ratings, especially between different brands, but the S-03 is rated 220 and the F1 GS-D3 is rated 280, for what that's worth.
To me, the S-03 is similar in performance to the F1 GS-D3 but costs a whole lot more money, and that's why I don't usually mention it, except in sizes for which the F1 GS-D3 isn't available.
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Positions.
Amazing in the dry and wet (although I have never driven on either the Falken Azenis) and the treadlife doesnt seem to be that bad. Price seems to be on par with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131, again i have never driven on the Goodyears). So nsxtasy, how do these compare to the other tires like the falken and goodyear?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The S-03 is a very good tire, similar in performance to the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. (There's a side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack site; the Bridgestone was slightly better in some things, the Goodyear slightly better in others.) However, price is NOT on a par at all. In most sizes, the F1 GS-D3 is significantly less expensive, which is why I usually recommend the Goodyear for someone looking primarily for performance. The S-03 doesn't come in 205/45-16, but to give you an idea of the price spread, in 195/50-15 the F1 GS-D3 is $88 vs $114 for the S-03; in 215/40-17 the F1 GS-D3 is $138 vs $206 for the S-03. So the S-03 costs 30-50 percent more than the F1 GS-D3. Also, I know you can't always judge treadlife from the sidewall ratings, especially between different brands, but the S-03 is rated 220 and the F1 GS-D3 is rated 280, for what that's worth.
To me, the S-03 is similar in performance to the F1 GS-D3 but costs a whole lot more money, and that's why I don't usually mention it, except in sizes for which the F1 GS-D3 isn't available.