cdownin

Okay as topic says... I know this comunity is the pioneers of everything that is honda... the veterans on this site hit the junkyards and pull parts that smoke corvettes... We hit the junkyards cause we don't have unlimited funds to buy parts with leads me to my points... WHY [freak] IS THAT ADAPTER PLATE nearly 800 without mounts.. I bout a 99 f22 long block for 200 anyway Im not trying to buy it from anyone unless it is about 200 bucks bisimoto doesn't need anymore porsches so does anyone have the blueprints for this adapter plate a local shop says he can laser cut one for me for 75 bucks if I gave him some drawings he could program into his machine.. I know someone has mocked up something if so please share that is what this whole website is about....

88_DX

Lots of time went into making those adapter plates thats why they cost $800+

91jdmhatchback

^^^ i'm with this guy, untill you spent countless hours making somethign everyone is begging for and then you have to hear ppl like you saying it isn't worth the money..... you can stfu

cdownin

Looks like imma have to measure this my self... alot of time was taken measureing the tranny and the engine I'm in college and have taken a couple engineering classes and many other people that know this is easy a couple card board prototypes and I'll have someone program it to gxf. then Im going to start selling them for 800 plus and i flywheel spacer with larger bolts to offset the flywheel.... this is not the first adapter plate on earth they have been made since 1969 in the muscle car era do your homework....

dfoxengr

haha. that is all.

honduh_head

welcome to HT lol

ReDemoN

WOW!!

KENetics1

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cdownin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like imma have to measure this my self... alot of time was taken measureing the tranny and the engine I'm in college and have taken a couple engineering classes and many other people that know this is easy a couple card board prototypes and I'll have someone program it to gxf. then Im going to start selling them for 800 plus and i flywheel spacer with larger bolts to offset the flywheel.... this is not the first adapter plate on earth they have been made since 1969 in the muscle car era do your homework....</TD></TR></TABLE>

let's see Bisi Ezerioha creditials:
10's with a n/a sohc motor? check
9's n/a in f-motor? check
what have you ever done for the honda racing scene? so what makes you think someone would buy your kit over bisi's kit anyways. well when you come out with your kit let every one know how many engines you had to go through before it's almost finished.

cdownin

if i sold it for 200 im sure the shop I get them made at would be annoyed that i keep coming back for more plate and spacers.. LOL

dfoxengr

this is kind of pathetic. please find me a place that will make you these in small quantities for 200$ even if you water/laser cut them. the material is still going to cost a lot. then you have to countersink a lot of bolt holes too and provide quality hardware.
dont you think if it were that easy to make a quality kit more people would be doing it.

KENetics1

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cdownin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i sold it for 200 im sure the shop I get them made at would be annoyed that i keep coming back for more plate and spacers.. LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well if it's so easy then why are you coming in here asking for prints and drawings. I got any easier idea, why don't you just buy the bisimoto kit and copy it since you don't have any idea how to make it yourself. Like dfoxengr said there is more to the kit than just the plate/ spacer. I could copy the plate/spacer and have somebody at work make it for free if I wanted too. For 200 dollars someone out there could make those 2 pieces and sell it cheaper than that. Not to mention there is a thing out there called supply and demand. Say so many people wanted this knockoffs, do you have the kind of money to front the shop to mass produce these. They aren't gonna be like okay we will make them for you and you pay us later after you sell them. Why does the shop need you, they should just cut you out and sell them for even less.

You've taken a couple of engineering classes, so what I have too. Bisi has a master's degree in engineering and he would take you to school anyday.

Hamstr323

I smell an obx copy soon

KENetics1

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yeah master's in chemical engineering

cdownin

Your gonna have to wait "kenetics1" because the shop doesn't open till monday and I only work 4 days a week so I need to pressure was my junkyard parts I spent 60 on an ex tranny and 200 f22 block then i will take them to fabrication shop... I would measure them but a measureing tape wouldn't yield a very percise plate and spacer. Doesn't matter how many degrees you have if you can't use it in the real world its worthless... but what does his degree have to do with me measureing an adapter plate just hold your horses okay and I will have the adapter plate with the counter sunk holes and everything im sure he is a very smart man but i wish his prices where more affordable im sure alot of people agree. Yeah and now this so called honda enthuiaste joined the people that we hate and bought a porsche... Prolly because its design is far more superior than a hatch or an accord... My cousin bought a lotus and put turbo it... When i boost my f22 im gonna knock his socks of then Im setting it up for the track to toast his smart *** he has a master's too and finds honda to be like a backyard grassroots kind of thing but like i said before we are the pioneers of the aftermarket and new designs of all the million dollar companies... just a bunch of young kids with new ideas... So keep hating kenetics Im going get a plate for way less than 780 .. thats for sure.... And to those that were asking where am I going to get tha money to mass produce them.. And who ever wants the plate can just send like 20 bucks and i will email the gxf then you can have any local machine shop make it without the cost of programing it which is like 40 and hour to measure up the plate. This would help a lot of people out. I don't have any plans to mass produce them and make lots of money ... Im just burning a cd like back in tha day when cd's where like 20 bucks now they are 14 and everyone got a check that bought cd's for that much... which might happen to bisi LOL jk

Pyrorocketeer

is it that hard to find the bolt spacing for "X" engine, drill those holes in a piece of sheet, and find the bolt spacing for "Y" tranny in the sheet.... 800$ for an adapter plate is a little much. Especially when they just load a program in a cnc, insert hunk of metal stock, and hit start. I don't want to hear that lame "research and development" crap for a freakin adapter plate.

This isn't an engine, or engine component, its a hunk of metal that sits between the engine and trans....and does almost nothing.
"Yep, it fits, and everything lines up good.....NEXT!" &lt;- extent of r&d

Kennedy engineering sells adapter kits for vw's for a little over half of what that company is charging, and they have an adaptor plate and flywheel combo for just about any engine you can think of.

KENetics1

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Kennedy engineering sells more kits for more applications so they can afford to sell it for less. How many people out there do you think have h2d kits?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pyrorocketeer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This isn't an engine, or engine component, its a hunk of metal that sits between the engine and trans....and does almost nothing.
"Yep, it fits, and everything lines up good.....NEXT!" &lt;- extent of r&d
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Well I didn't know a flywheel was that useless to an engine but like stated earlier it's not just bolt on the plate and that's it.

Pyrorocketeer

whats so hard about the flywheel? machine a flywheel from tranny "Y" to be able to bolt onto the crank from engine "X"..... pretty much cut and dry.

how many more people would have h2d kits if they weren't $800?

redzcstandardhatch

having helped design a H2D plate myself (before bisi sold his kit), i know its not that easy.

we had about 1k $ into it when it was all said-and-done.. and that was with free machine work, and didnt include the 100 hours we had into measuring, mocking up, etc.

its a deal

RC000E

I have a Bisi kit in house here for a cust. build next month. The kit is hella nice for the money. Full plate along with a custom flywheel, and the cust. paid under 700 bucks when Bisi was running a special. Considering there are H2B adapters, with a simple flywheel spacer for over a grand, I think Bisi's kit is pretty damn cheap.

Typical Honda young buck...wants a bunch of something for nothin.

redzcstandardhatch

the flywheels in bisi's kits are absolutely gorgeous too.

fricken perfection.

i had the balance checked on mine, and it couldnt have been better...and the machining looked amazing. even had cooling vanes in it for cooling the clutch.

RS2 FAB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KENetics1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">let's see Bisi Ezerioha creditials:
10's with a n/a sohc motor? check
9's n/a in f-motor? check
what have you ever done for the honda racing scene? so what makes you think someone would buy your kit over bisi's kit anyways. well when you come out with your kit let every one know how many engines you had to go through before it's almost finished. </TD></TR></TABLE>

run 8's!!!!!!! then release a kit!

RS2 FAB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a Bisi kit in house here for a cust. build next month. The kit is hella nice for the money. Full plate along with a custom flywheel, and the cust. paid under 700 bucks when Bisi was running a special. Considering there are H2B adapters, with a simple flywheel spacer for over a grand, I think Bisi's kit is pretty damn cheap.

Typical Honda young buck...wants a bunch of something for nothin.</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha this scene is sooo spoiled when it comes to cheap speed. what other scene has a FREEWARE programable ecu for both OBD0 and 1 engines.


the evo scene has a DIY reflash but you still have to buy a cabale from their site.

not to mention most parts that make out cars better in some way are probably bolted to something rotting in a junkyard

RS2 FAB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KENetics1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kennedy engineering sells more kits for more applications so they can afford to sell it for less. How many people out there do you think have h2d kits?

Well I didn't know a flywheel was that useless to an engine but like stated earlier it's not just bolt on the plate and that's it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

supply and demand.

bisi and qsd? i belive are the only 2 companies in the scene selling these, if the OP actually has the resources/skill to design one, fab a prototype and get it working then go and produce these things and under selling the competition you'll see a drastic drop in price.

but nobody wants to take a gamble on thise scene, it already has proved unreliable for many other compaines that closed IE dc sports, used to be one of the biggest comapnies in the scene during the begginging then they just closed their corona california production line. they sold CNC's, andsome sick machinery for about 12 grand a piece.

and their surplus sale was pretty cool too

mcmotors

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What is gxf? Just wondering.

I think you need to stay in school, take a couple more engineering classes. A .DXF would be handy for programming a CNC laser, also known as a DRAWING EXCHANGE FILE which was originally coined by AutoCAD for the purpose of transfering .DWG files to other formats to work with the many other CAD systems now available. .DXF is now widley used to transfer just about any format or extension into a file that is to be shared and or imported among most any other CAD systems or programs.

Your experience is showing. I do honestly hope you finish this project and I do hope you pull it off. Win or lose, you will learn a lot.

And possibly later in life with many more years of experiece, you will figure out why they charge $800, if for nothing else, BECAUSE THEY CAN! At this point in your life, you many not have much money and a lot of time, which is understandable for a student. Later in your established life, you may just concider spending the money instead of trying to re-invent the wheel.

RC000E

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And possibly later in life with many more years of experiece, you will figure out why they charge $800, if for nothing else, BECAUSE THEY CAN!</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's real easy actually.

Students using school equipment to do projects at will for nothing more than the cost of their time and material are one thing. A business that does extensive R&D developing the product, then does the programming necessary to produce it, then produce them on a machine that costs them thousands upon thousands of dollars to obtain, when they may only sell two-five units a month! Yeah, 800 bucks is a steal, and the Honda world should only be so lucky to have such aftermarket options.