TurBros

Hey you get what you pay for, I would of bought a used econo tig over that anyday.

snoochtodanooch

the riland is soo much better, just because of the blue buttons. I bet both machines are really made in Taiwan

nowtype

Its now confirmed that Honda-tech is full of idiots. Holy Christ.

Slebidia: Have you ever spoken to Storts? If you have, you are confident that he would be able to provide you customer service? Based on my experience hes a nice guy, but I wouldn't rely on his information or his ability to aid you in troubleshooting an issue. Hell, he has posted a few times in regards to this issue on the hobart forum, and his questions and thoughts illustrate how much he knows. The fact of the matter is, he doesn't need to know much. His job is to sell. After he sells them, if he can't figure out the issue, it gets sent over to California. Its the same idea as Best Buy or any other retailer. They sell the product and if something needs servicing most likely they will send it away and just give you a new item. Same thing as with me. I don't see how this is not clear. I bought the machine from China in hopes of becoming a distributor of this product. Obviously thats not going to happen as the product is not what I wanted. If I wanted to, I could ship the item to California. If they could not fix the problem easily, they would ship me back a functioning machine. Problem lies with the fact I don't want to spend another $200+ to go through this process. If I can't fix the problem, I may spend the $200. I don't know yet. This would most likely be the same deal as I went through a Riland distributor. $60 to ship it to them. $60 for them to ship me a new machine. $100 for them to ship the defective machine back to China. Remember, nothing in life is free.

TurBros: If I wanted to buy a EconoTig I would have done so. Purchasing this machine was done for two reasons. First and foremost because I thought if the product was good, it could be a profitable buisness venture. The second being I wanted a decent hobbiest TIG welder. If I was pleased with the item, I figured others might also be and would be willing to purchase them as if this product works well, its FAR superior to the EconoTig. Obviously things haven't worked out extremely well so that statement doesn't hold. There is a lot of trial and error in finding a worth while product to sell or use. Miller didn't become Miller over night.

Snooch: I'd almost gaurentee they are all made by one factory in China. Then the factory sells it to 6 different people(Mitec, Chiry, Riland, Ect). Those 6 different people each sell it to another 15 different people(one of which would be me, this guy Storts, the various people on ebay). In the end, I'd almost gaurentee all the welders that look a like are assembled by the same people. When you buy a Panosonic TV it doesnt look exactly like a Sony does it? If it did, wouldn't you assume its the same damn thing? I surely would. I don't care if they are all the same welders. All I care is if the product works, and works well. Other than the foot pedal not working correctly, it seems to operate fine. The foot pedal is just a big issue with me.

turbofunvtec

whats wrong with telling how much you payed?

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbofunvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats wrong with telling how much you payed?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't you think if I wanted to share that information I would have when the other 3 people asked? As far as price goes, expect to pay around $1000-1100. Thats as much as I'm willing to share as far as price is concerned. If you want more information, go find a wholesaler and ask for a price quote.

turbofunvtec

your a dick plain and simple, i dont understand why it matters.


I think you know you got ripped off and you are embarassed at what you payed for that piece of crap that doesn't work.


you may as well chrome plate it and enscribe it with the "worlds worst purchase, i am an idiot" and put it on display.


I get it you want to try to resell thses and rip people off your self.

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbofunvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your a dick plain and simple, i dont understand why it matters.

I think you know you got ripped off and you are embarassed at what you payed for that piece of crap that doesn't work.

you may as well chrome plate it and enscribe it with the "worlds worst purchase, i am an idiot" and put it on display.

I get it you want to try to resell thses and rip people off your self. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually you are quite unclear of my motives. I have no intention of selling these now as I don't think they are saleable. If the company doesn't want to send me a working sample, then I couldn't imagine the quality control on their other items. What kind of idiot would go on Honda-tech and the Hobart Weldtalk board and openly discuss the negative qualities of a machine they planned on selling? Before I received the machine I had already decided I wasn't going to sell these machines based on the customer service of the company. None of which is your buisness, but obviously you can't comprehend that so I'll make things very clear as you are questioning my integrity rather than thanking me for giving a very honest review of my purchase.

The whole intention of my postings were to show the welder. Give a review. If I liked it, I would sell it. Regardless my review would be honest. I don't like it, I'm not selling it. I don't know how much clearer I can be.

Now there are two main reasons why I'm not going to tell you how much I spent.

First and foremost, its none of your business. It doesn't affect you in the least so why should you care? If you were to purchase this welder it would cost you roughly $1000. Thats all you need to understand. Based on that idea you figure out if the welder is worth the money or not. If you want to figure out how much it cost me, figure that its a finished goods and that means you can make X markup on the item. Based on that you should be able to ball park how much I spent. If you are unable to do this, then find a wholesaler to give you a price quote. I promise you, its not very difficult.

Second of all, it would be unfair to anyone else that plans on moving these welders. The world does not have the right to know their profit margin. No other company goes out and advertises their profit margin, so I'm not going to start. I don't think you can call up Best Buy and say "Hey, how much did you guys buy that Sony plasma TV for? Don't be a dick, tell me. Com'on!"

If you think this is honestly the world's worst purchase, you are a ******* idiot. I have a welder here that still operates relatively well. It's not like I sent away $1000 to some internet company and got nothing. Hell, a worse investment would be sending $10,000 to one of those Nigerians on the internet who claim for $10k you will get $5 million dollars. As far as mistakes go, this one doesn't come close to ranking in the top 10.

turbofunvtec

actually i was curious because i'm as cool as you and can purchase welders wholesale.
and why do you care about anyone who wants to move these welders? if you care about anyone it should be the consumer, and you should fill the consumer in so they have an inside track and don't get ripped off.

you not going to sell it why would you help your competition out by letting them over price it?

i'm not asking you to advertise your profit margin because you said your not selling it. so there is no such thing as a profit margin. you should be courteous and say look guys i bought this piece of crap for $XXX and its not worth $XX look out for it buy from anyone its gabage.

ho can you even compare yourself to a multimillion dollar company like Best Buy? I bet they have 220V.


good luck with your business, BTW whats the name of your Company?


Modified by turbofunvtec at 9:06 PM 5/5/2006

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbofunvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually i was curious because i'm as cool as you and can purchase welders wholesale.
and why do you care about anyone who wants to move these welders? if you care about anyone it should be the consumer, and you should fill the consumer in so they have an inside track and don't get ripped off.

you not going to sell it why would you help your competition out by letting them over price it?

i'm not asking you to advertise your profit margin because you said your not selling it. so there is no such thing as a profit margin. you should be courteous and say look guys i bought this piece of crap for $XXX and its not worth $XX look out for it buy from anyone its gabage.

ho can you even compare yourself to a multimillion dollar company like Best Buy? I bet they have 220V.


good luck with your business, BTW whats the name of your Company?


Modified by turbofunvtec at 9:06 PM 5/5/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>


If you can purchase welders wholesale you should have an idea what kind of profit margin can be expected. I've been very clear that I'm not going to give the price out and I don't plan on changing that. I've given information as we go and the consumer can make a decision based on what I've said. Anyone purchasing these machines should understand the pros and cons and if they don't that's their business. I'm not responsible for anyone.

As far as being concerned with the other retailers, why shouldn't I be? If people are willing to pay what they are selling the welder for, then thats exactly how much they should be. Most of these companies are not clearing tons of cash and their dealings are relatively high risk. Importing products is a highly competitive business where the profit margin is low and the volume is high. These are known facts. I'm not going to give out numbers. I don't see too many retail stores sharing how much stuff cost them and I don't see why I should either. If you really want to know, find out yourself. If you don't like my best buy comparison, go ask one of the honda-tech retailers how much they pay for a fuel pump. I doubt they are going to tell you. If it makes you feel any better, just pretend I bought the welder from some guy on ebay and spent $1000+$50 shipping. Maybe that will put your feable mind at ease.

8mpg

sounds like someone is pissed off cause they bought a welder for really cheap and it doesnt work. Sounds like that same person doesnt want tosay how much he bought it for because he thought it would be a business move and he would be able to sell them if they were an alright welder but in the end he fisted himself.

nowtype...you need to chill out. If you bought it for $500 and then sell them for $1000, it doesnt matter if you display your purchase price because if someone wants to buy one, they will pay it. Now I dont think anyone here would ever buy one from you cause you are a DICK

The end

snoochtodanooch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Snooch: I'd almost gaurentee they are all made by one factory in China. Then the factory sells it to 6 different people(Mitec, Chiry, Riland, Ect). Those 6 different people each sell it to another 15 different people(one of which would be me, this guy Storts, the various people on ebay). In the end, I'd almost gaurentee all the welders that look a like are assembled by the same people. When you buy a Panosonic TV it doesnt look exactly like a Sony does it? If it did, wouldn't you assume its the same damn thing? I surely would. I don't care if they are all the same welders. All I care is if the product works, and works well. Other than the foot pedal not working correctly, it seems to operate fine. The foot pedal is just a big issue with me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? Companies make equipment that gets rebadged? You probably think talons are just like eclipses..... congrats, you solved the puzzle.

I was being sarcastic buddy, I am on your side. The machines are obviously identical. I was making a joke to the fact that the buttons are a different color, like that would fool anyone.

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 8mpg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like someone is pissed off cause they bought a welder for really cheap and it doesnt work. Sounds like that same person doesnt want tosay how much he bought it for because he thought it would be a business move and he would be able to sell them if they were an alright welder but in the end he fisted himself.

nowtype...you need to chill out. If you bought it for $500 and then sell them for $1000, it doesnt matter if you display your purchase price because if someone wants to buy one, they will pay it. Now I dont think anyone here would ever buy one from you cause you are a DICK

The end</TD></TR></TABLE>

Read the reasons why I'm not sharing the info. Thats it. The money I spent I knew could be lost. When you send money 6000 miles away, you know once its gone, you may get fucked. The fact that I got the machine was half the battle. The fact it doesn't operate perfectly sucks though. Its clear that I'm not pleased in the end with the welder, but you guys are acting like I have a machine that doesn't function at all. It functions, the HF start works fine. Its the foot pedal that does not function correctly. Its not the biggest deal in the world.

As for being a dick, I'd rather be an honest dick then a nice scammer. Its much easier to get in your pocket when you're kissing someone's ***. You guys want information I'm not willing to share and yet you keep picking at it as if I'm going to change my mind. My story remains consistant. I'm sorry if that doesn't please you. Like I said, if you really want to know, go do some research and find out. Its not hard.

snoochtodanooch: Its clear you understand that. The other people in the thread do not on the other hand. If they can make a plasma cutter, tig welder combination that weighs 40lbs and is known to work well, I figured they would be able to get an AC/DC TIG welder with a foot pedal. Maybe I just got a POS machine. Maybe their quality control is worthless. Maybe the guy who sent me the machine sent me a machine that was known to be faulty and he fucked me over. I was just trying to clarify for the others that are reading this and making stupid comments that just because some guy claims the machine is different, they aren't. The only thing that could be different is the customer service agreement.

Like I said, the point of this thread was to give a review on the welder. If I got positive responses I would have concidered selling the machine. I don't like the machine as its not working correctly. I'm not going to sell the machine. Now if someone is looking into this type of machine, they will be able to refer back to my experience and make their decision. If thats being a dick, I'm guilty as charged.

turbofunvtec

i think the negative responses you get are more because of your demeanor and not the welder itself

what was the name of your company again?

masterpawn

Hello I hope you can help

I am from London Ontario, I saw your posting about a welder and mine is broken and I was wondering if I could ask you a couple questions and call you or just email you.

Jarrod

masterpawn

I am having trouble understanding postings and such here, if you can help me my email is erb@execulink.com

essex

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/s...earch+

masterpawn

Thank you but that does not help I need photos of the inside or another unit to look at, Also I am still not clear if it is a Mitech, Riland or Chiry. Lots of wires became disconected on transit and I couple boards were broken. Now all is fixed but still not working.
I have photo's of this one I have but not sure how to post it.

nowtype

You can send me an email at njwelding@patmedia.net I'm not sure how much help I will be able to provide as I still haven't resolved my issue but send me an email and we will see. I'd also suggest contacting whom you purchased your welder from first as I'm sure they know more than me.

turbofunvtec

they probabally speak Chinese dipshit.

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbofunvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they probabally speak Chinese dipshit. </TD></TR></TABLE>

See in China, they understand their place in the market so most relatively educated individuals speak Chinese, English, and probably another language. America on the otherhand is too good to actually make you learn another language let alone english as our literacy rate is lower than most countries. I can tell you the people I spoke to over there had knew english pretty well.

Do you have any more bone head assumptions?

turbofunvtec

no you pretty much covered that in your topic opener


to quote nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ordered this about 2 weeks ago from China. It cost me signifcantly less money than a Miller, Lincoln, or Thermal Arc in a similiar category. Click on the picture for my actual pictures, as I just threw that website together really quickly. I will say the communication wasnt the easiest in the world, but it wasnt horrible. They were supposed to send me an argon regulator and MMA(stick welding) torch. Neither made it which is pretty upsetting. Also I never got a tracking number and they gave me a bunch of lame excuses why they couldnt send one. Regardless it made it here in one piece.

I need to wire up a 220V outlet in my garage tomorrow and get some misc welding supplies(argon, new helmet, and some consumables). Hopefully some pictures and a more full review later next week. </TD></TR></TABLE>

rkeith

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

See in China, they understand their place in the market so most relatively educated individuals speak Chinese, English, and probably another language. America on the otherhand is too good to actually make you learn another language let alone english as our literacy rate is lower than most countries. I can tell you the people I spoke to over there had knew english pretty well.

Do you have any more bone head assumptions?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can see it didn't sink in for you.

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbofunvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no you pretty much covered that in your topic opener


to quote nowtype</TD></TR></TABLE>

When did I comment about their ability to speak english? The reason it was not easy to communicate with them was because they were 6000 miles away, and had a time difference of 12 hours.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rkeith &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can see it didn't sink in for you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, typos never occur. OMG I added a "had"!

I'm just going to have this thread removed as its a waste of my time responding. I don't have the time nor the patience to respond to every "OMG you're an idiot for attempting to buy something as a buisness move! You should have just bought a Miller, Lincoln, or Thermal Arc because no one in the world buys inexpensive tools. You know, thats why harbor freight and northern tool are so unsuccessful."

masterpawn

You know what... You are a dick, I just came to ask questions, I did not think you would change your life around my question. I bought a broken welder and I am trying to fix it. BIG DEAL. Bussiness move sure, I wanted to do my own work. You should not bother coming on here if all you can be is negative!!!

I hope you will be ok

masterpawn

Can anyone sell me a manual for a chiry welder of send me a pdf??