Oldschoolguy

I don't know if this car is CARB legal in California. The exhaust is stock, but I think CA has a different set of requirements. Someone from CA may be able to help.

egyolk

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It should say under the hood if you look for the sticker that is similar to the image I posted. If you were closer to cali I would pick this up.

Oldschoolguy

price dropped $2700. Final price.

Oldschoolguy

I've taken some additional photos of the cars suspension today. It is clear that the bushings are brand new and installed correctly. This time I used an LED to shine a light on them because I thought the first few pics I hurriedly took were from poor angles and unfortunately some of the comments raised here may have scared some potential buyers from considering the car. Again the cost of this car (I think) is a great bargain because I doubt you will find many if any models with a rebuilt suspension in addition to a complete Neuspeed/Suspension Techniques enhanced suspension selling for $2100, especially in this condition. Again, amazingly no one has even looked at the car yet. I'm practically gift wrapping it for somebody

No takers??? BTW the new pics are at the end of the original post. Thanks.

SIRIUS

Pm sent

too_much_hott

This car is simply beautiful, I bet it handles like a go-kart.

eL_cArLos

Wow great price for such a gem.

Oldschoolguy

I know, and to this day no one has actually seen the car in person, but many are expressing interest. No one appears to be questioning the condition of the car or the price, but no one can get down here to actually look at the car. I'm pretty certain if a serious buyer would love the car if they saw it and drove it in person. Maybe the car is just too old school. I thought there was a high demand for this model year.

egyolk

iTrader: (1)

Don't even think of it Flav, I called dibs on this, waiting for the owner to get back to me. Cash in hand.

Oldschoolguy

Sorry Egyolk, I misunderstood your last post, I thought the car was too far for you so it was out of the question. As for carb legal in Cali, the hood had been replaced last year with another red Si hood from a local yard. My original had a slight dent and I didn't like the way it looked. So my mechanic somehow found the hood you see that was in pristine condition and put it on for me. It is an OEM hood with stickers, but the stickers are from another car so I don't know if that will help you. I don't think people realize to what level I went to begin to restore this thing. The black vertical panels on doors were even replaced recently as they often fade. I painted them in the past but I didn't like the way they looked. Also BTW, not only were the suspension bushings replaced but my mechanic made me buy the suspension bolts as well from Honda. Those damn bolts cost me a small fortune.

I don't know if there is a way to make the car CARB legal in CA or how that works.

I'm getting a lot of PM's from interested people but I'm not getting replies back when I text or email them. What's up with that? Right now you and Flav are the top potential buyers, but whoever shows up first I guess has first dibs.

EE2bitsk

nice one owner.

Oldschoolguy

I think the only reason why no one has come to pick up this car is because they don't believe that the deal is legit. It's legit, I really don't need the money but i have a principle that you have to pay for something to get something. There was a lot of time and money used to get the car restored to the level it is now. The car is not perfect, but the critical components other than the engine are like new. Some of my other interested buyers unanimously agree with me that they are surprised the car hasn't been sold by now. I'm kinda amazed when I see all these bids for the same car on EBAY (which I don't do) with the car seemingly selling for a higher price. Like I said in my original post I just need to clear driveway space for my new FRS. Someone help me out here I need a clear path!

Oldschoolguy

Bump $2100. All prices I am getting by email will be posted here to be fair to all involved. The person who actually hands the cash by paypal or cash in hand gets the car. If you are anywhere near Tampa, Fl. and you need a car like this feel free to see the car for yourself. Anyone in the Tampa FL area who is not interested in the car but want to vouch for the condition it is in is free to test drive and examine the car and post your findings here. A few people who want the car live too far away and I am sorry but it is unfair to expect the seller to pay for your flight and gas. It is what it is. I already lowered the price from $3000 to $2700 to help people out and now I've discounted it even further. Would like to say firm, but not happening. I will provide no more pics by the way so please don't ask, there are more than enough pics on this thread. There are minor rust spots above the rear taillights like I said in the first post- the car is over 24 years old, but it is in excellent condition. If a few minor rust spots are going to bother you, this car is not for you so please don't consider it. Otherwise, as a whole it one of the finest 1988-1991 Honda Civic Si's available in the southeast. Don't know more what I can say.

The only offer I've had up to now was $2200 and that person had to walk away for personal reasons. He never saw the car. Egyolk the car is still for sale but you have to contact me if your interested. Only one person has left me a name and number like I asked. Again, the car goes to whoever pays up first.

egyolk

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I truly am interested and will fly out there to drive it back to cali, no joke. I went with a friend to chicago when he picked up a Type R and we drove that back too. The only thing I need to know is if I will be able to register the car here.

Oldschoolguy

Ok, thanks Egyolk, I also got your PM. I don't know what the rules are for CA carb requirements, let me know what you find out. Below please see the pics I took when I came home from work. Sorry they were taken at night, but I'm getting too many PMs asking for them so I relented. People just don't trust much anymore- I'm a busy guy (I work day and night at my business and can only take pics on the weekends usually- forgot the iphone provides a flash so I was able to take these tonight) It is important that you see these pics and make a decision. My mechanic is incredible and he was going to repair those two rust spots by cutting out a portion of the metal and fiberglassing. He would have charged me $75 a side without painting. If you or any local potential buyer want his number please PM me. The man is an a tremendous asset to restorers and he works out of his garage. He rebuilt a GTO that had a tree trunk growing through the chassis- I kid you not! He'll show the pictures. He's a perfectionist and also the same guy who rebuilt my suspension.

As you can see by the pics, the rust spots are pretty minor and nothing to be concerned about. If the rust bothers you, the car is not for you. I was pondering whether it would be worth it for my mechanic to go ahead and remove and fiberglass these areas, but I suspected regardless of what I did people would make a fuss about anything that wasn't perfect and try to bring the price down- I hate that. So it just didn't make sense to me.



Taken last weekend.








Excuse the moisture on the vehicle.

Oldschoolguy

Also, to be fair Egyolk, the car is still up for grabs until we reach some kind of deal ok?

Oldschoolguy

For $2100, you too can have this much fun (watch at the 2:50 mark, I couldn't stop laughing). God I wish I kept that pro-kit springs I would have loved to how this Si handles now! She's all ready to rock!!

This car has a completely rebuilt suspension with the following components:

1) Suspension Techniques 22 mm anti-roll bar rear (crosslinks replaced 2013)
2) Stock front anti-roll bar with reinforced pic performance bushings (2013) (not enough understeer with the suspension techniques 22 mm)
3) Front Neuspeed upper tower strut bar
4) Rear Neuspeed upper tower strut bar
5) Rear Neuspeed lower strut brace
6) Adjustable KYG/AGX gas shocks
7) Complete PIC/Suja 1 Motoring Hard Rubber Bushing (HRB) Kit (2013)
8) OEM Honda/Mugen rear trailing arm bushings (2013)
9) Eibach camber control kit (2013)
10) Completely brand new suspension bolts on all components (2013)
11) Brand new cross links for the Suspension Techniques rear anti-roll bar (2013)

A lot of research went into the development of this Si's suspension to keep the ride street comfortable but a capable autorx. I went with the Pic performance Suja1 bushings because I felt the car needed hard rubber bushings to offer the correct bushing deflection Honda engineers had in mind with tight cornering. I repurchased a brand new front anti roll bar to introduce a little more understeer for more predictable cornering. I've unfortunately never got to take the car on the track because I think the engine would need rebuilding to handle the stress. The suspension however, is about as good as it gets for a street car. Just needs new springs. I can't believe I'm selling this for $2500 and I have only 1 taker!

Don't believe this car can handle- watch at the 2:50 mark.

SIRIUS

OK seeing as how you are all about full disclosure and feeling the need to "fully disclose" every aspect of a gentlemanly negotiation regarding your car that is for sale I would like to offer up my 2 cents since you continue to reference me in this thread:

#1) Egyolk, first and foremost there is no such thing as "dibs". In cases like this you and I both know whoever puts cold hard cash in the seller's hand FIRST wins. This isn't second grade and you're not calling "dibs" on the biggest chocolate chip cookie after the spelling bee. This is the real world and cash rules. Not "dibs".

#2) That being said, this car is all yours. Stop talking/posting and put cash in the seller's hand (or his paypal account) and be done with it if you want the car that bad. As you can tell people aren't exactly beating down the door of the seller....which leads me to my next points...

#3) I am thankful that my offer was declined. It saved me the cost of my 1-way flight out to Tampa Bay and subsequently the return flight back because I assure you I would not be driving this car back. So I would have been out at the very least $300.00 in airline tickets. My time and effort, not to mention I would be feeling very misled as to the real condition of this car. So again, thanks for declining.

Let me explain why I would have turned around and hopped back on a flight without the car and my $2200.00 cash still in my pocket. Quite simply that car has rusty and rotted quarter panels and will cost a good bit of money to repair correctly. Please note I specified "correctly" which is important. Having your mechanic "fiberglass" the area is not repairing the quarter panels correctly. It is merely covering up a problem. The correct way to repair the quarter panels would be to strip down the area, sandblast, cut and weld in new metal and then refinish. I'm assuming the area around the rear tail buckets will be extremely rotted and need repair as well. That is the correct way to repair rusted and rotted quarter panels. When we were negotiating (negotiations I thought were between us by the way) I was led to believe the rust was "minor". It is certainly not in my humble opinion. And I was mistakenly under the impression that the rust was on the filler panel below the tail lights and above the rear bumper which would have indeed been an easy fix (which it's obviously not) That is not minor rust. Saying it is minor is simply doing so to minimize the problem for the sake of selling the car at a premium price (which after all is your motive right?)

What you feel your car is "worth" is all well and good and I have no problem with you asking what you want for your car and holding to it. What I don't appreciate is you trying to use my honest and reasonable offer to leverage another potential buyer and disclosing the dialogue in this thread to try and justify your price point. Newsflash: Rusty and rotted high mileage 25 year old Hondas are not rare nor are they hard to find. Granted there is some value in the work you have done thus far and some value in that you are the original owner I'll give you that BUT it is quickly eclipsed by the fact that the car will need extensive and costly rust repair. I would much rather have to replace bushings and suspension components and have a rust free car (which I thought your Si was and thus why I was so interested) than do body work. If I had to make you another offer AFTER seeing the above pictures I would offer you $800.00. That is what it is worth to me. Rusty Hondas with stock oil burning motors and worn out seats are a dime a dozen. Truth be told I don't think I could justify the $800.00 offer but I think you could probably get it from someone who wouldn't mind quarter panel rust and fiberglassed floorpans (again NOT the correct way to fix a rotted floorpan).


In closing John, good luck with the sale. Thanks for your time and thanks for declining.

-Flavio

weatherall123

Why were you under this impression regarding the rust? It clearly states in the second post that the rust was ABOVE the tail lights. Also, if rusty 25 year old hondas with ripped seats and oil-burning engines are a dime a dozen and easy to find, then why were you even contemplating flying out to purchase this car in the first place? Whenever purchasing a used car, you are purchasing it AS-IS. You are always running the risk of running into issues, mechanical or cosmetic, especially with a 25 year old car.

As a reference point for potential buyers regarding rust repair... a fellow HT member replaced both rear quarter panels in his EG the correct way (cutting out the rusty panels and patch-welding in new panels) for $600 labor. The price for the actual panels was slightly more.

As an additional reference point, I had a white 1990 Honda Civic SI hatchback with 150k original miles, all stock, rust free, ripped d/s bolster, burned half a quart of oil between changes, well maintained, all records, etc. I was the second owner and ended up selling the car for $2500 on eBay. I honestly felt that the car was worth far more, but that's what I got.

A car is only worth whatever the potential buyer is willing to pay. For the most part, it seems that this seller has been honest with what he has and what repairs he has done to make it better. When it comes down to it, the extent of the rust is totally subjective to the person looking at it.

Bump for you Oldschoolguy, I hope it sells quickly!

SIRIUS

^Which is why I said mistakenly (as in a mistake on my end) for misreading and misunderstanding the extent of the rust which was only clarified by the latest round of pictures (as I had requested in the texts and calls with the owner). My personal offer of $2200.00 to the seller was under the incorrect assumption (again on my end) that the rust was to the trim panel. So I was wrong there but that is how I assessed the value and made the offer. The pictures of the rust should have been posted on the front end in my opinion as that is an important part of evaluating the car for any potential buyer. Especially since this post isn't on a local CL, it is on a website that caters to people nationwide.

Also, to be clear I'm chiming in at this point with my side of the story simply to clarify as the owner has referenced me a couple of times now and quite frankly it's not appreciated nor needed.

Again, to re-iterate I'm just glad that my offer was declined and I dodged a bullet on this one. I'm willing to travel and flyout and drive back a clean rust free example. Which is what I'm looking for and thus why I inquired about this car. Had I been aware (or if better pics had originally been posted showing the rust) I would not even have bothered to be quite honest. Like I said, egyolk it's all yours. GLWS OP.

Oldschoolguy

Flav, you were a total gentleman as was I on the phone throughout our conversations. If you read carefully, I was careful that there is no discussion about you in this thread at all. Many had asked about additional pictures long before you did. I work day and night from 8am -11pm from a town 1 hour away from my home. I only see my own home on the weekends, which is the only time I can take pictures. I wrote how busy I was during the week and for everyone to be patient in my first post.

You made an accusation on your last text message that I was leveraging the price of the car with other buyers to raise the price. This never happened. Anyone here is free to post if I had discussed the cost of this car with them. Flav was the only one.

I initially declined his first offer at $2200.00 because I already had dropped the price from $3000 to $2700 and I said that it was a little low so I said why don't we meet halfway and make it $2450 and share the cost of gas and hotel.

Flav, there were other buyers such as yourself who were flying from out of state who wanted me to factor the cost of the flight into the price of the car- there was nothing in my posts here that were directed at you. By lowering the price of what I feel is a fair price, I'm essentially paying for your flight and gas- which in principle doesn't seem fair to me.

Also Flav, I initially declined your offer and then made a counter offer of $2450, you said it was too high and then you brought up the issue of rust, when in our initial conversations I made it very clear that the car has some rust and the interior is not perfect either- but you agreed that the amount of work I had done was substantial and that the car was clearly worth it. I even told you that I was worried that you were taking the car so far up to Boston, but you told me its ok you had TripleAAA and just needed to get the car at least 1000 miles towards home and they could tow it if there were problems. That made me feel better. The car is a quarter of a century old and I told you the last time I drove it that far was in 1999 when I did my last medical rotation.

By the next morning, when you rejected my counteroffer I relented and said I would accept your offer for $2200.00- honestly just because I thought you were a genuinely nice guy. You told me that it was too bad that I didn't accept your offer as you already spent the money on other obligations.

What you are doing here, without even seeing the car is pretty low. I cannot make it any more clear. The car is in fantastic shape. Mechanics have seen it and told me that at the very least I could make $3500 without all the things I'm throwing in.

There is rust, exactly as I showed it in the pictures. If you are thinking of purchasing the car, you need to see the car yourself and judge for yourself if the price is right for you.

Egyolk, if this conversation sours the deal for you, sorry about that. I've tried to be as honest about this sale as I can. I'm not a car salesman, I'm a medical practitioner with a busy practice. I just want this car moved.

Oldschoolguy

Thanks for the support. I've tried to be brutally honest with this sale. The price is fantastic for this car from what I've compared it to, what I'm throwing in, and the substantial restoration that has already been put into it. The engine pulls very strong. Strong enough to still pull a trailer when asked to. I'm throwing everything in for free but the kitchen sink to move this car. I knew that taking the pictures at night will make any problem areas appear at their worse so the buyer knew exactly what they were looking at. The car is solid and it's hardly a rust bucket. But it is what it is- it's a 24 year old car, I don't know how I could have been any clearer.

Oldschoolguy

So based upon what weatherman123 just posted above, I'm dropping the price further to $2700 minus $600 to get the quarter panels fixed (correctly) to $2100 and a banana.

Oldschoolguy

Egyolk, you just got a price drop of $600 without even trying. Make sure to PM me if you are still interested.

PURPLE EK9

wow freshhhh glws