Skunk2 Owes Me A F$%#in New Motor
10-09-2004, 03:58 PM
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Re: Skunk2 Owes Me A F$%#in New Motor (HOOKUPS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HOOKUPS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MANLEY = awesome valve train components!!!! SKUNK??? DONT LIKE UMM!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
What relevance does that have to do with anything about this thread? How does that help the creator or anyone else concerned with Skunk2's customer service? That's great they have awesome valve train components, but you know what, every company is bound to have a bad batch here or there. I still don't think that Skunk2 has a bad product line. I just feel they have a shitty customer service mentality.
To Skunk2's customer service To a pointless post.
What relevance does that have to do with anything about this thread? How does that help the creator or anyone else concerned with Skunk2's customer service? That's great they have awesome valve train components, but you know what, every company is bound to have a bad batch here or there. I still don't think that Skunk2 has a bad product line. I just feel they have a shitty customer service mentality.
To Skunk2's customer service To a pointless post.
10-10-2004, 03:09 PM
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Stuff breaks. Skunk2 isn't going to buy you a new motor if a valve breaks, simple as that. You knew what you were getting into when you went with lighter, high performance parts. Did you think there was no trade off? The trade off is typically performance over reliability.
I would not be surprised if Skunk2 replaced the valve under warranty.
One thing I'm wondering is if you clayed the motor for clearances? I didn't see you mention it, so I assume not. Ever consider that this may have been your own fault? Not saying that it is but it is entirely possible. The guy says 'you can tell by the pictures there are no valve-piston clearance issues'. You can't tell that by looking at a picture. You have to clay the motor--the entire rotating assembly, valvetrain, gasket thickness, etc. all are factors, none of which can you determine by looking at them, let alone a picture.
For clarification, here is the entire Skunk2 warranty. Bold is added by me.
So if this guy is calling up Skunk2 all irritated and saying they need to buy him a new motor, no wonder they are dodging him--he's probably being pretty hostile. I'm willing to wager that if he sends in the busted valve via mail with a letter explaining that it broke, they will send him back a new one (even though they probably don't have to because it is older then 30 days).
Without knowing how the author is going about working with Skunk2, what he is asking for, you can't blame Skunk2, because you only know half of the story. The story that you're hearing seems pretty dodgy/sketchy to me, so you have to give Skunk2 the benefit of the doubt here.
For people that are complaining about it their 'customer service' or 'customer service mentality', what is it exactly that you don't like? The fact that they aren't replacing a motor that is obviously not covered under the warranty? The fact that they aren't responding to this board (read below for more)? What is it that you're upset about? I have to assume that the have told the guy that they aren't going to replace the motor, and that he just isn't accepting that. I mean seriously, this is all laid out in the warranty, plain as day. What are the guilty of?
Also what makes people think that manufacturers are are surfing BB's to respond to people who are demanding that they replace a motor? If there was a forum on the Skunk2 website I would expect that they would respond. But to expect and even get pissed at a manufacturer about this is just silly. They probably don't even know about the thread.
As to this nonsense of taking them to court, can someone explain to me, after reading the warranty, what Skunk2 would be liable for? It is clear as day. I assure you the reason they aren't responding to this post is because 1) they don't know about it or 2) they really have nothing to say because this is a clear cut case of Force Majeure.
I would not be surprised if Skunk2 replaced the valve under warranty.
One thing I'm wondering is if you clayed the motor for clearances? I didn't see you mention it, so I assume not. Ever consider that this may have been your own fault? Not saying that it is but it is entirely possible. The guy says 'you can tell by the pictures there are no valve-piston clearance issues'. You can't tell that by looking at a picture. You have to clay the motor--the entire rotating assembly, valvetrain, gasket thickness, etc. all are factors, none of which can you determine by looking at them, let alone a picture.
For clarification, here is the entire Skunk2 warranty. Bold is added by me.
Originally Posted by Skunk2 Warranty
There is no warranty stated or implied due to the unusual stress placed on competition product(s) and/or the inability to monitor their modification, installation, and use, unless otherwise stated. In such case, Group-A Autosports warrants all products to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for normal use and service for a period of (30) days from date of retail purchase.
Parts returned must be determined by Group-A Autosports to be defective before any warranty credit or replacement is issued. Group-A Autosports’ obligation under warranty shall be limited to repairing or replacing, at its option, any part proven defective. The customer must prepay transportation charges. Final determination of the suitability of the products for the use contemplated by the buyer is the sole responsibility of the buyer.
Group-A Autosports shall not be liable for any special, direct, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, that might be claimed as a result of the failure of any part, including claims for delay, loss of profits, or labor. Group-A Autosports shall not be liable for any damage or injury to persons or property resulting from improper installation or misuse of any part subject to this warranty. There are no other warranties expressed or implied extending beyond those set forth above.
Parts returned must be determined by Group-A Autosports to be defective before any warranty credit or replacement is issued. Group-A Autosports’ obligation under warranty shall be limited to repairing or replacing, at its option, any part proven defective. The customer must prepay transportation charges. Final determination of the suitability of the products for the use contemplated by the buyer is the sole responsibility of the buyer.
Group-A Autosports shall not be liable for any special, direct, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, that might be claimed as a result of the failure of any part, including claims for delay, loss of profits, or labor. Group-A Autosports shall not be liable for any damage or injury to persons or property resulting from improper installation or misuse of any part subject to this warranty. There are no other warranties expressed or implied extending beyond those set forth above.
Without knowing how the author is going about working with Skunk2, what he is asking for, you can't blame Skunk2, because you only know half of the story. The story that you're hearing seems pretty dodgy/sketchy to me, so you have to give Skunk2 the benefit of the doubt here.
For people that are complaining about it their 'customer service' or 'customer service mentality', what is it exactly that you don't like? The fact that they aren't replacing a motor that is obviously not covered under the warranty? The fact that they aren't responding to this board (read below for more)? What is it that you're upset about? I have to assume that the have told the guy that they aren't going to replace the motor, and that he just isn't accepting that. I mean seriously, this is all laid out in the warranty, plain as day. What are the guilty of?
Also what makes people think that manufacturers are are surfing BB's to respond to people who are demanding that they replace a motor? If there was a forum on the Skunk2 website I would expect that they would respond. But to expect and even get pissed at a manufacturer about this is just silly. They probably don't even know about the thread.
As to this nonsense of taking them to court, can someone explain to me, after reading the warranty, what Skunk2 would be liable for? It is clear as day. I assure you the reason they aren't responding to this post is because 1) they don't know about it or 2) they really have nothing to say because this is a clear cut case of Force Majeure.
10-10-2004, 03:24 PM
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Re: Skunk2 Owes Me A F$%#in New Motor (JDM_Honda_Fiend)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_Honda_Fiend »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why should I have to pay for something that isn't my fault in the first place?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Simple: because it is your engine. Fault doesn't matter, and this one is nobody's 'fault': force majeure. The reason you are getting stuck with it is because you are the one that is responsible for the asset. You can choose to repair it or choose to write it off. It totally sucks, but that is the way it goes.
You're trying to pawn this off on anyone you can, but the fact of the matter is Skunk2, InlineFour or whatever is not liable for these damages. Check out their warranty, it is clear as day.
If you can't handle it or can't afford to write off the entire car/motor/whatever, I suggest buying a car direct from the factory with an OEM warranty and stick to that. A lot of people go that way
It sucks, but this is what building performance motors is all about. I've had parts fail too, but I just get the actual part replaced under warranty if possible. If I'm not happy with the part I sell the new replaced part on HT or eBay and buy a replacement. Chalk it up to experience, move on. It sucks and I know, I've had to repair and replace heads, fuel pumps, all kinds of stuff. I expect and budget for failures. The nature of the beast, being on the jagged edge.
All that being said, this isn't all that bad, could have been MUCH worse. So consider yourself lucky in being unlucky. This is not going to be that expensive (compared to the intial $10k especially), and you don't have to cut corners. Everything except one piston (replace, should be less then $100), the block (either need to resleeve or replace, maybe $500), the valves (replace under warranty), and the head (bare head is only like $250, plus some labor for port polish).
Trust me, you're getting off pretty light on this one.
Good luck.
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Simple: because it is your engine. Fault doesn't matter, and this one is nobody's 'fault': force majeure. The reason you are getting stuck with it is because you are the one that is responsible for the asset. You can choose to repair it or choose to write it off. It totally sucks, but that is the way it goes.
You're trying to pawn this off on anyone you can, but the fact of the matter is Skunk2, InlineFour or whatever is not liable for these damages. Check out their warranty, it is clear as day.
If you can't handle it or can't afford to write off the entire car/motor/whatever, I suggest buying a car direct from the factory with an OEM warranty and stick to that. A lot of people go that way
It sucks, but this is what building performance motors is all about. I've had parts fail too, but I just get the actual part replaced under warranty if possible. If I'm not happy with the part I sell the new replaced part on HT or eBay and buy a replacement. Chalk it up to experience, move on. It sucks and I know, I've had to repair and replace heads, fuel pumps, all kinds of stuff. I expect and budget for failures. The nature of the beast, being on the jagged edge.
All that being said, this isn't all that bad, could have been MUCH worse. So consider yourself lucky in being unlucky. This is not going to be that expensive (compared to the intial $10k especially), and you don't have to cut corners. Everything except one piston (replace, should be less then $100), the block (either need to resleeve or replace, maybe $500), the valves (replace under warranty), and the head (bare head is only like $250, plus some labor for port polish).
Trust me, you're getting off pretty light on this one.
Good luck.
-k
10-10-2004, 04:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rotten »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For people that are complaining about it their 'customer service' or 'customer service mentality', what is it exactly that you don't like? The fact that they aren't replacing a motor that is obviously not covered under the warranty? The fact that they aren't responding to this board (read below for more)? What is it that you're upset about? I have to assume that the have told the guy that they aren't going to replace the motor, and that he just isn't accepting that. I mean seriously, this is all laid out in the warranty, plain as day. What are the guilty of?
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Understandably, I would not expect for the customer service to just roll-over and give the guy a new motor, that's not their job. I honestly do not expect for them to come on this board and give us a song and dance either. But the inital posts on this thread by the author. Once again, this is his half of the story...he called them, spoke to them, they said they would call him back in X amount of time. They never did. That's what gets me.
If they say they will get back to someone, they should do it. It sounded as if they take their customers lightly in that sense. Yes, they are a business, they get busy. However, sometimes you just have to suck it up and stay an extra hour every couple days just to call people back when you give them your word that you will.
Plain and simple. "Sorry Mr. Racer X, we spoke to our boss on your behalf and he reiterated that those parts you used are RACE parts with no expressed or implied warranty. If you send the broken valve in with a written statement, he might replace that for you though..." Something like that even would have been honorable.
I dunno, maybe I'm looking at how customer service should be. It just feels like a lot of companies don't care about the fundamentals of customer service. No, "Customer is always right." is not the fundamental. Disney puts it best with their customer trainning. Disney: "The customer is not always right! But let them be wrong with dignity." That was what I was hoping for in Skunk's case.
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Understandably, I would not expect for the customer service to just roll-over and give the guy a new motor, that's not their job. I honestly do not expect for them to come on this board and give us a song and dance either. But the inital posts on this thread by the author. Once again, this is his half of the story...he called them, spoke to them, they said they would call him back in X amount of time. They never did. That's what gets me.
If they say they will get back to someone, they should do it. It sounded as if they take their customers lightly in that sense. Yes, they are a business, they get busy. However, sometimes you just have to suck it up and stay an extra hour every couple days just to call people back when you give them your word that you will.
Plain and simple. "Sorry Mr. Racer X, we spoke to our boss on your behalf and he reiterated that those parts you used are RACE parts with no expressed or implied warranty. If you send the broken valve in with a written statement, he might replace that for you though..." Something like that even would have been honorable.
I dunno, maybe I'm looking at how customer service should be. It just feels like a lot of companies don't care about the fundamentals of customer service. No, "Customer is always right." is not the fundamental. Disney puts it best with their customer trainning. Disney: "The customer is not always right! But let them be wrong with dignity." That was what I was hoping for in Skunk's case.
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The BBB is not an investigative agency. They field complaints about companies and watch for the larger trend of fraudulent activities. However, upon receiving enough of these complaints the Better Business Bureau will send inquiries. Your best bet is to hire a lawyer, and send a certified written inquiry to Skunk2 asking them what their intentions are on dealing with the problem. Chances are they're wanting you to disappear, much like the vast majority of ignored angry customers do. Show them you are serious, and they'll pay up or you'll know that you need to pay for a new engine yourself. Either way, I'm sorry it happened to you. If you need a referral, instant message me on Aol Instant Messenger (OriginalMobstah) or MSN Messenger (noodle187@hotmail.com). I'm sure I can help you out
Goodluck..
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The BBB is not an investigative agency. They field complaints about companies and watch for the larger trend of fraudulent activities. However, upon receiving enough of these complaints the Better Business Bureau will send inquiries. Your best bet is to hire a lawyer, and send a certified written inquiry to Skunk2 asking them what their intentions are on dealing with the problem. Chances are they're wanting you to disappear, much like the vast majority of ignored angry customers do. Show them you are serious, and they'll pay up or you'll know that you need to pay for a new engine yourself. Either way, I'm sorry it happened to you. If you need a referral, instant message me on Aol Instant Messenger (OriginalMobstah) or MSN Messenger (noodle187@hotmail.com). I'm sure I can help you out
Goodluck..
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10-10-2004, 10:44 PM
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Re: Skunk2 Owes Me A F$%#in New Motor (rotten)
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I expect and budget for failures.</TD></TR></TABLE>
amen. (in general)
I expect and budget for failures.</TD></TR></TABLE>
amen. (in general)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -=Zeqs=- »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Plain and simple. "Sorry Mr. Racer X, we spoke to our boss on your behalf and he reiterated that those parts you used are RACE parts with no expressed or implied warranty. If you send the broken valve in with a written statement, he might replace that for you though..." Something like that even would have been honorable.
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I totally agree.
I have to imagine that they must have told him what the warranty is and that probably that wasn't good enough for the author of this thread and that is what they didn't call him back about. I could be wrong...
Hey JDM fiend, what is the whole story... What exactly did they tell you when you got on the phone? Did they say it wouldn't be covered, or did they lead you to beleive that it might be and that they'd give you a call back about it? It wasn't real clear from what I read what it was that they exactly said and what exactly you said to them.
Plain and simple. "Sorry Mr. Racer X, we spoke to our boss on your behalf and he reiterated that those parts you used are RACE parts with no expressed or implied warranty. If you send the broken valve in with a written statement, he might replace that for you though..." Something like that even would have been honorable.
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I totally agree.
I have to imagine that they must have told him what the warranty is and that probably that wasn't good enough for the author of this thread and that is what they didn't call him back about. I could be wrong...
Hey JDM fiend, what is the whole story... What exactly did they tell you when you got on the phone? Did they say it wouldn't be covered, or did they lead you to beleive that it might be and that they'd give you a call back about it? It wasn't real clear from what I read what it was that they exactly said and what exactly you said to them.
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I would agree with you. I didn't look at it from that perspective. HOWEVER, I would at least think they would at least say "We will investigate this problem OR We are aware of your problem, please stop calling us names" or SOMETHING! I can see your point though.
Someone mentioned a lack of friends or enemies speaking up on here...it's a shame really. You would think that someone would back them. Maybe not, and maybe it's the whole legality issue that's keeping them quiet.
Understanding all of what I've read, I still turn for their lack of response, apparent lack of decent customer service (represented here and a few other threads I've read), and simply that they aren't standing behind their product (and apparently nor is anyone else)...from my point of view anyway. Maybe I'm wrong...it's possible.
I, personally, and not that anyone cares, would NOT purchase a/another product from a company that's SUPPOSED to be at the FOREFRONT of the aftermarket racing products scene that CHOOSES to not respond in ANY WAY to these comments and what's been posted in previous threads. I would find that H-T would be one of the MAJOR LIFE LINES of the import world, if we're into Honda, we're here or one finds their way here eventually. To support this...You SEE KTeller, Omni, Robear, and TONS of other manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers, and others here standing behind what they sell. I CAN NOT see (other than the legality issues mentioned above, but damn...) why SKUNK2 would/should be any different.
If anyone cares to correct me, feel free...I'm open to criticism.
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Someone mentioned a lack of friends or enemies speaking up on here...it's a shame really. You would think that someone would back them. Maybe not, and maybe it's the whole legality issue that's keeping them quiet.
Understanding all of what I've read, I still turn
for their lack of response, apparent lack of decent customer service (represented here and a few other threads I've read), and simply that they aren't standing behind their product (and apparently nor is anyone else)...from my point of view anyway. Maybe I'm wrong...it's possible.I, personally, and not that anyone cares, would NOT purchase a/another product from a company that's SUPPOSED to be at the FOREFRONT of the aftermarket racing products scene that CHOOSES to not respond in ANY WAY to these comments and what's been posted in previous threads. I would find that H-T would be one of the MAJOR LIFE LINES of the import world, if we're into Honda, we're here or one finds their way here eventually. To support this...You SEE KTeller, Omni, Robear, and TONS of other manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers, and others here standing behind what they sell. I CAN NOT see (other than the legality issues mentioned above, but damn...) why SKUNK2 would/should be any different.
If anyone cares to correct me, feel free...I'm open to criticism.
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10-12-2004, 12:01 AM
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I totally agree.
I have to imagine that they must have told him what the warranty is and that probably that wasn't good enough for the author of this thread and that is what they didn't call him back about. I could be wrong...
Hey JDM fiend, what is the whole story... What exactly did they tell you when you got on the phone? Did they say it wouldn't be covered, or did they lead you to beleive that it might be and that they'd give you a call back about it? It wasn't real clear from what I read what it was that they exactly said and what exactly you said to them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I came there in person and spoke to Charles in person. He told me he would talk to the boss about the situation and give me a call back about what they can do about it. InlineFour called them up also and Skunk's reply is that they will take care of the situation. Till now I still haven't heard **** from them and it's pissing me off more and more. And you don't know **** about how I dealt with this situation as I was being pretty professional and calm about it. But this **** is ****** wacked now as I can see how they want it to be. Plain and simple they're hoping that they push me around far enough that I will dissappear from them. I call them on the phone and I ask them where is my call? They tell me to leave a message so that they can call me back and no one does. You think that I have time to make **** up like this **** that man. If you look back at this thread from omniman's response, maybe it can hint you about how the company is.
And another thing, the title of this thread didn't mean I demanded that they get me a new motor. Be realistic man if you read my post carefully you would see that I said I want them to repair my motor to the way it used to be. I never said my motor was unrepairable. The head can still be rewelded with aluminum and the valve seats can be recut. The block might need resleeving which is going to be the most expensive part of repairing this motor as it will involved doing some work to the bottom end as well. You also think that I spent all that money not to make sure everything is clayed for clearance issues? This motor was built professionally cause I wanted it to be done right. Also, when have you seen a valve make a clean snap like that? It's very rare that a valve would snap like that unless it was made with poor quality.
Put it this way, Skunk2 isn't the "big name" company that they should be because they are selling poor quality parts at Mugen prices. I can come to this conclusion that they don't give a **** about us. We fund them by buying their parts to do the things they want like participating in races and other things. And why do you think people like Omniman sells parts for so much cheaper? Because people like him want us to benefit from the parts we buy and so that we can participate in our own track events.
Skunk2 is a company that wants to grab your money to make a fast race car so that you can read in car magazines that their car is fast and you should buy parts that they offer in order to make your car go fast too. **** that. Who knows if they use their own products on their car because they are selling you their Skunk2 name. From my experience, they are a company of quantity and not quality.
I totally agree.
I have to imagine that they must have told him what the warranty is and that probably that wasn't good enough for the author of this thread and that is what they didn't call him back about. I could be wrong...
Hey JDM fiend, what is the whole story... What exactly did they tell you when you got on the phone? Did they say it wouldn't be covered, or did they lead you to beleive that it might be and that they'd give you a call back about it? It wasn't real clear from what I read what it was that they exactly said and what exactly you said to them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I came there in person and spoke to Charles in person. He told me he would talk to the boss about the situation and give me a call back about what they can do about it. InlineFour called them up also and Skunk's reply is that they will take care of the situation. Till now I still haven't heard **** from them and it's pissing me off more and more. And you don't know **** about how I dealt with this situation as I was being pretty professional and calm about it. But this **** is ****** wacked now as I can see how they want it to be. Plain and simple they're hoping that they push me around far enough that I will dissappear from them. I call them on the phone and I ask them where is my call? They tell me to leave a message so that they can call me back and no one does. You think that I have time to make **** up like this **** that man. If you look back at this thread from omniman's response, maybe it can hint you about how the company is.
And another thing, the title of this thread didn't mean I demanded that they get me a new motor. Be realistic man if you read my post carefully you would see that I said I want them to repair my motor to the way it used to be. I never said my motor was unrepairable. The head can still be rewelded with aluminum and the valve seats can be recut. The block might need resleeving which is going to be the most expensive part of repairing this motor as it will involved doing some work to the bottom end as well. You also think that I spent all that money not to make sure everything is clayed for clearance issues? This motor was built professionally cause I wanted it to be done right. Also, when have you seen a valve make a clean snap like that? It's very rare that a valve would snap like that unless it was made with poor quality.
Put it this way, Skunk2 isn't the "big name" company that they should be because they are selling poor quality parts at Mugen prices. I can come to this conclusion that they don't give a **** about us. We fund them by buying their parts to do the things they want like participating in races and other things. And why do you think people like Omniman sells parts for so much cheaper? Because people like him want us to benefit from the parts we buy and so that we can participate in our own track events.
Skunk2 is a company that wants to grab your money to make a fast race car so that you can read in car magazines that their car is fast and you should buy parts that they offer in order to make your car go fast too. **** that. Who knows if they use their own products on their car because they are selling you their Skunk2 name. From my experience, they are a company of quantity and not quality.
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Yeah I know what you're saying but no motor will be properly tuned until it has been put on a dyno. The closest thing to being tuned at the moment was that was running on a chipped p28 ecu customly tailored to my motor.
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BTW the valves only had about 4k miles on them before that valve broke.
just like RevenantAE said, this is what worries me about your case. good luck with everything though
Yeah I know what you're saying but no motor will be properly tuned until it has been put on a dyno. The closest thing to being tuned at the moment was that was running on a chipped p28 ecu customly tailored to my motor.
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BTW the valves only had about 4k miles on them before that valve broke.
just like RevenantAE said, this is what worries me about your case. good luck with everything though
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The valves that are in your head do not appear to be Skunk2 valves. I have personally owned several sets of their valves and they all have the S2 logo stamped in the valve head. I also spoke to a close friend of mine that works for Skunk and he said all of the valves they sell have the S2 logo stamped in them.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XDEep »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">make an appointment to see them again like you did before? how far are they?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's hard to go up there cause I have school everyday and have no time to drive to NorCo.
It's hard to go up there cause I have school everyday and have no time to drive to NorCo.
10-13-2004, 09:50 AM
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Re: (flatlineracing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flatlineracing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The valves that are in your head do not appear to be Skunk2 valves. I have personally owned several sets of their valves and they all have the S2 logo stamped in the valve head. I also spoke to a close friend of mine that works for Skunk and he said all of the valves they sell have the S2 logo stamped in them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
.......It came in an unopen Skunk2 box...How can it not be Skunk2???
.......It came in an unopen Skunk2 box...How can it not be Skunk2???
10-13-2004, 10:17 AM
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Re: (JDM_Honda_Fiend)
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.......It came in an unopen Skunk2 box...How can it not be Skunk2???</TD></TR></TABLE>
How unopen was it, you said you did go threw inlinefour correct ? Well there not 100% trust worthy, I would like to hear what other people had to say about this and if this is true about the stamp on the valves.
.......It came in an unopen Skunk2 box...How can it not be Skunk2???</TD></TR></TABLE>
How unopen was it, you said you did go threw inlinefour correct ? Well there not 100% trust worthy, I would like to hear what other people had to say about this and if this is true about the stamp on the valves.
10-13-2004, 10:52 AM
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inlinefour correct ? Well there not 100% trust worthy</TD></TR></TABLE>
care to elaborate? im not one to gossip but i would like to be informed. IM if necessary thanks.
inlinefour correct ? Well there not 100% trust worthy</TD></TR></TABLE>
care to elaborate? im not one to gossip but i would like to be informed. IM if necessary thanks.
10-13-2004, 10:54 AM
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I want to know more about the stamps too. like if they really do this and if so, how long have they been doing this. Also, I think Toda requires that their valve springs be used with Spec B cams. 3.5-4K on fully built engine that never saw a dyno in that long is the only damaging piece of info to your case though. in either matter, I hope someone gets to the bottom of this because you spent a ton of money on your engine and to now have this much down town due to this mishap and you wanting to fight it all the way, I just wish you luck.
10-13-2004, 11:05 AM
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Re: (luti)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by luti »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to know more about the stamps too. like if they really do this and if so, how long have they been doing this. Also, I think Toda requires that their valve springs be used with Spec B cams. 3.5-4K on fully built engine that never saw a dyno in that long is the only damaging piece of info to your case though. in either matter, I hope someone gets to the bottom of this because you spent a ton of money on your engine and to now have this much down town due to this mishap and you wanting to fight it all the way, I just wish you luck.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think a ton of mismanaged money...but that is no excuse for a company such as "Skunk2" to sell inferior parts. Keep us posted on the situation.
I think a ton of mismanaged money...but that is no excuse for a company such as "Skunk2" to sell inferior parts. Keep us posted on the situation.
10-13-2004, 11:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by luti »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to know more about the stamps too.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well it seems like there are 2 series of valves, the first series had the mushroom tip problem, then they corrected it by using harder metal, this is when they could of started stamping the valves.
Well it seems like there are 2 series of valves, the first series had the mushroom tip problem, then they corrected it by using harder metal, this is when they could of started stamping the valves.
10-13-2004, 11:46 AM
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[QUOTE=luti]I want to know more about the stamps too. like if they really do this and if so, how long have they been doing this.]
The valves have had the S2 logo stamped in them for well over a year. If youd like I can get you a picture of the Skunk2 valves that are in my gsr head.
The valves have had the S2 logo stamped in them for well over a year. If youd like I can get you a picture of the Skunk2 valves that are in my gsr head.
10-13-2004, 01:08 PM
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Plain and simple they're hoping that they push me around far enough that I will dissappear from them. I call them on the phone and I ask them where is my call?
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Well probably they are hoping you'll go away, because it is pretty obvious they have no intention of repairing your motor, as they are not liable for the damage.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_Honda_Fiend »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You also think that I spent all that money not to make sure everything is clayed for clearance issues? This motor was built professionally cause I wanted it to be done right. Also, when have you seen a valve make a clean snap like that? It's very rare that a valve would snap like that unless it was made with poor quality.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The reason that the warranty specificly states that they are under no obligation to repair damage that occurs is for stuff like this. There are hundreds of things could have caused the valve to break. The timing could have been overly agressive, maybe adjusted the timing gears after claying the motor, the valve springs may have been not up to the task, valve float, oil issues, timing issues, the valve may have been scored upon installation, the valve guide may have been faulty, there are HUNDREDS of things that could have caused the valve to fail besides poor quality.
To be honest it doesn't matter why it failed, because they are under no obligation to repair your motor, as clearly stated in the warranty.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can come to this conclusion that they don't give a **** about us. We fund them by buying their parts to do the things they want like participating in races and other things.
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They care about their customers, they just can't afford to be replacing and repairing motors when **** happens. They try to make a good product, but they warn you that it is ultimately your responsibility when you're building a high performance motor.
I really think you just need to get an SRT4 or something that has a factory warranty, if you are worried about stuff like this happening.
Plain and simple they're hoping that they push me around far enough that I will dissappear from them. I call them on the phone and I ask them where is my call?
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Well probably they are hoping you'll go away, because it is pretty obvious they have no intention of repairing your motor, as they are not liable for the damage.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_Honda_Fiend »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You also think that I spent all that money not to make sure everything is clayed for clearance issues? This motor was built professionally cause I wanted it to be done right. Also, when have you seen a valve make a clean snap like that? It's very rare that a valve would snap like that unless it was made with poor quality.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The reason that the warranty specificly states that they are under no obligation to repair damage that occurs is for stuff like this. There are hundreds of things could have caused the valve to break. The timing could have been overly agressive, maybe adjusted the timing gears after claying the motor, the valve springs may have been not up to the task, valve float, oil issues, timing issues, the valve may have been scored upon installation, the valve guide may have been faulty, there are HUNDREDS of things that could have caused the valve to fail besides poor quality.
To be honest it doesn't matter why it failed, because they are under no obligation to repair your motor, as clearly stated in the warranty.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can come to this conclusion that they don't give a **** about us. We fund them by buying their parts to do the things they want like participating in races and other things.
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They care about their customers, they just can't afford to be replacing and repairing motors when **** happens. They try to make a good product, but they warn you that it is ultimately your responsibility when you're building a high performance motor.
I really think you just need to get an SRT4 or something that has a factory warranty, if you are worried about stuff like this happening.
10-13-2004, 01:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flatlineracing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=luti]I want to know more about the stamps too. like if they really do this and if so, how long have they been doing this.]
The valves have had the S2 logo stamped in them for well over a year. If youd like I can get you a picture of the Skunk2 valves that are in my gsr head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes get the pics up, I would like to see the logo. As for the original poster, if you bought these valves at least a year ago, you might have some issues to take up with inlinefour.
The valves have had the S2 logo stamped in them for well over a year. If youd like I can get you a picture of the Skunk2 valves that are in my gsr head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes get the pics up, I would like to see the logo. As for the original poster, if you bought these valves at least a year ago, you might have some issues to take up with inlinefour.
10-17-2004, 01:46 PM
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Re: Skunk2 Owes Me A F$%#in New Motor (JDM_Honda_Fiend)
So anything new ? How long ago did you buy these valves because I just got the pics of the skunk2 valves and they indeed have the stamp on them.
10-17-2004, 05:04 PM
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Re: Skunk2 Owes Me A F$%#in New Motor (JDM_Honda_Fiend)
I think they atleast owe you a letter or phone call, some sort of information. Well, I wish you the best of luck. I know I wont be buying any of there stuff. Keep us updated.