Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic
01-31-2007, 03:54 PM
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Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic
Id like to hear everyone's opinions on which is the better MTF. It is my understanding that even the new Honda fluid is not synthetic. I cant find too much solid info on the Amsoil, so post up experiences!
PS- Dont even say GM syncromesh (im running that now) I have heard that it wears the syncros much faster (thinner weight oil). The Amsoil is "designed for brass syncros" so im thinking I may give it a try.
PS- Dont even say GM syncromesh (im running that now) I have heard that it wears the syncros much faster (thinner weight oil). The Amsoil is "designed for brass syncros" so im thinking I may give it a try.
02-01-2007, 01:53 AM
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Re: Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic (Iceman05)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Iceman05 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Id like to hear everyone's opinions on which is the better MTF. It is my understanding that even the new Honda fluid is not synthetic. I cant find too much solid info on the Amsoil, so post up experiences!
PS- Dont even say GM syncromesh (im running that now) I have heard that it wears the syncros much faster (thinner weight oil). The Amsoil is "designed for brass syncros" so im thinking I may give it a try.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have never used amsoil so i would be interested in your results other then that i have tried all the other brands for my tranny and always found honda MTF to be the best with best results
but i would be interested in this amsoil results!
PS- Dont even say GM syncromesh (im running that now) I have heard that it wears the syncros much faster (thinner weight oil). The Amsoil is "designed for brass syncros" so im thinking I may give it a try.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have never used amsoil so i would be interested in your results other then that i have tried all the other brands for my tranny and always found honda MTF to be the best with best results
but i would be interested in this amsoil results!
02-01-2007, 07:23 AM
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Re: Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic (richard7968)
Never ran Amsoil in a transmission. But their engine oil is superb. In for any more info on the transmission fluid from Amsoil. 
02-01-2007, 08:55 AM
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i went ahead and bought the Amsoil, but i will not be able to change it out and post results until next month. I will keep yall updated. Bump for more input.
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02-01-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic (Iceman05)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Iceman05 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Id like to hear everyone's opinions on which is the better MTF. It is my understanding that even the new Honda fluid is not synthetic. I cant find too much solid info on the Amsoil, so post up experiences!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right on man. Let me know how it goes for you and post up your results. I have switched from Honda MTF to Redline MTL in my car. I have had issues blowing up gears and final drives and have switched to Redline MTL for a few reasons. I like how the Amsoil Synthetic Syncromesh Manual Transmission Fluid has a higher Viscosity Index over the RedLine MTL, but I like that the viscosity of the RedLine MTL was slightly higher. I am taking some temperature measurements to see how high temperatures get in my high hp tranny. I want to see if its the high temperatures or the stresses in the tranny that is killing things. This will also help me see if I am more concerned with the viscosity or viscosity index so that I can decide later on whether or not to run the Redline MTL or the Amsoil MTF. Both of those fluids have better properties than the Honda MTF though.
FYI for those that didn't know some of the terms:
Viscosity Index: Viscosity Index highlights how a lubricant's viscosity changes with variations in temperature. The best fluids (those with the highest viscosity index) will not vary much in viscosity over such a temperature range and therefore will perform well.
Viscosity: Viscosity is a measure of the resistance of a fluid to deform under shear stress.
Right on man. Let me know how it goes for you and post up your results. I have switched from Honda MTF to Redline MTL in my car. I have had issues blowing up gears and final drives and have switched to Redline MTL for a few reasons. I like how the Amsoil Synthetic Syncromesh Manual Transmission Fluid has a higher Viscosity Index over the RedLine MTL, but I like that the viscosity of the RedLine MTL was slightly higher. I am taking some temperature measurements to see how high temperatures get in my high hp tranny. I want to see if its the high temperatures or the stresses in the tranny that is killing things. This will also help me see if I am more concerned with the viscosity or viscosity index so that I can decide later on whether or not to run the Redline MTL or the Amsoil MTF. Both of those fluids have better properties than the Honda MTF though.
FYI for those that didn't know some of the terms:
Viscosity Index: Viscosity Index highlights how a lubricant's viscosity changes with variations in temperature. The best fluids (those with the highest viscosity index) will not vary much in viscosity over such a temperature range and therefore will perform well.
Viscosity: Viscosity is a measure of the resistance of a fluid to deform under shear stress.
02-01-2007, 03:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda Bull »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Never ran Amsoil in a transmission. But their engine oil is superb. In for any more info on the transmission fluid from Amsoil. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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07-19-2007, 05:45 AM
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I just got my first fill of amsoil engine oil in the mail yesterday and will be trying the mtf next. I have a mix of Honda MTF and GM in my trans now and it shifts very smooth for a 100,000+ mile trans. The Honda stuff works but shears down quickly so it has to be changed often. Ive tried the Redline MTL before and it made my trans very notchy. Didn't seem like a good idea.
07-19-2007, 06:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Furyof4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just got my first fill of amsoil engine oil in the mail yesterday and will be trying the mtf next. I have a mix of Honda MTF and GM in my trans now and it shifts very smooth for a 100,000+ mile trans. The Honda stuff works but shears down quickly so it has to be changed often. Ive tried the Redline MTL before and it made my trans very notchy. Didn't seem like a good idea.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If the Redline MTL was causing your tranny to be notchy, you have issues. I have used it with great success thus far in a ton of power car.
If the Redline MTL was causing your tranny to be notchy, you have issues. I have used it with great success thus far in a ton of power car.
07-19-2007, 07:23 PM
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Re: Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic (Iceman05)
I sell Amsoil...If you have any questions on what you need or what we sell let me know. You can also buy from me if you want.
07-20-2007, 06:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blown90hatcH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If the Redline MTL was causing your tranny to be notchy, you have issues. I have used it with great success thus far in a ton of power car. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well that was about 5 years/ 30,000miles ago in the same trans that shifts perfect with other fluids now. As soon as I switched back to Honda mtf, no more notchy shifting.
If the Redline MTL was causing your tranny to be notchy, you have issues. I have used it with great success thus far in a ton of power car. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well that was about 5 years/ 30,000miles ago in the same trans that shifts perfect with other fluids now. As soon as I switched back to Honda mtf, no more notchy shifting.
07-27-2007, 09:25 PM
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well i got my two quarts of amsoil synthetic MTF but havent put it in yet. it says its recommended for hondas but im kinda weary because no one with a honda has ever used it that i know of.
07-28-2007, 08:03 AM
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the 5w30 watery mixture scares me like the new honda mtf does.
besides if this was that good i would at least find one person who has used it.
the 5w30 watery mixture scares me like the new honda mtf does.
besides if this was that good i would at least find one person who has used it.
07-28-2007, 08:58 PM
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10w30 motor oil or Pennzoil Synchromesh if running LSD.
I've never had a bearing failure or synchro issue with anything I've built.
I do scuff the gear cones like GearSpeedEF9 suggested.
Redline MTL never. I've seen toomany trannys at 50-60k miles with the plastic bearing cages dissolved, the common point is the owners switched to Redline MTL at first tranny service at about 15k miles. I believe Quaife UK use to have something about this on their website.
I've never had a bearing failure or synchro issue with anything I've built.
I do scuff the gear cones like GearSpeedEF9 suggested.
Redline MTL never. I've seen toomany trannys at 50-60k miles with the plastic bearing cages dissolved, the common point is the owners switched to Redline MTL at first tranny service at about 15k miles. I believe Quaife UK use to have something about this on their website.
07-30-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: Honda MTF vs. Amsoil synthetic (Iceman05)
i've read up on the Amsoil and it looks good, but i do have to give it up to the syncromesh of GM. it did work and shifted well, even though my brass is jacked up kinda. but until i get in there and switch the syncros out it'll do
what do you run in your tranny mista bones?
or better yet, what do you recommend for a high rev 4.785 b16 tranny? maybe obx or maybe phanton grip (if i get a gsr tranny for the beffier diff)
what do you run in your tranny mista bones?
or better yet, what do you recommend for a high rev 4.785 b16 tranny? maybe obx or maybe phanton grip (if i get a gsr tranny for the beffier diff)