Arab300

I need help on what swap is good money wise and power wise. If I do this project it will be on an ek hatch or crx. Now I know the type r swap is a couple hundred more dollars than the gsr swap but I heard that they don't make as much power as k series and I wanna spend 6-7k or 8k tops on everything. Although I was wondering if you go with a k series will you need to make hood clearance or any welding or cutting? I wanna go all motor as well. Is the wiring difficult? Now ive never done a swap ever. I wanna make sure I do everything right and not be struggling with any issues later like vtec not working, idling, misfiring, or wiring problems etc. Please help me I don't wanna end up getting a b16 or end up messing up something, or having a slow build. Id like to get a good confirmation on what to go with.

jdmconcepts

Well first question is who will actually be doing the swap? If a shop is doing it then you are going to have to subtract their labor from your budget. What is the intention of your build?

EE2bitsk

you're already in over your head.
a type r swap is more than a few hundred dollars over a gsr swap.
not trying to be a pecker but why don't you do some research before you make a thread?
there's literally a **** of info you're seeking if you just look, and don't ask.

pogeeboy27

iTrader: (3)

If you can do the labor yourself with the help of some friends, an $8k budget is good for a K-series swap (assuming you have all the tools necessary). If you've never done a swap before, this will not be a quick build. A B-series swap is easier but there is a learning curve with any swap and once you've done a few, the next go around gets easier and quicker. You will run into problems no matter what. It's just the nature of doing engine swaps. Take your time and do your research. Lots of information on here and K20A.org. Have fun and good luck.

Arab300

on hmotors online heres the link

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...0Engines&hit=5

Arab300

Me and some of my good friends. If I go with a b series I know it wont be a problem but ive heard that I can get a k24 swap for around the same price so I dont know what to go with.

Arab300

I have some good friends that have been in the honda game for a while. If i go with a k series will there be any welding or cutting required? i have a family member that can do that for me. I havent done a swap ever if i do this it will be my first time but i wanna make sure i have everything i need. I can just go with a b16 but i dont wanna settle with that and if i do have to what will it take to get it in the 11s? I have been doing some research but i want to get some good pointers pros and cons. thanks for the link and giving me some advice i appreciate it man.

EE2bitsk

there's k24's all over for like $500 for just a long block.
there's gonna be cutting depending on a few things, but like I said do some looking around so you get an idea of what to expect. k20a.org is a great place and pretty nice crowd. the k24 won't clear the hood any way in a 88-91 chassis, but it'll clear in a 92-00 civic for sure.

Ej_1van

It depends if you like to build or not, because with your budget you have a lot of options, just up to you

Arab300

Say i got a k24 that had an auto transmission would i have to change alot of other things to convert it into a manual or just the tranny? Ill be sure to check out that forum. Got it so I wont have any problems on hood clearance if I drop it in an ek?

KidRuthless

Honestly if you have 8k to spend just get a gsr swap and build it for low boost with a very VERY good tune. Unless you can do all the labor and find good quality k parts your gonna be coming out of pocket down the road with the K swap.

Arab300

That would be nice but I would like to be able to beat srt4s and nissan sentra the spec r models. Ive witnessed a boosted gsr loose to a stock srt4 with an intake but Im thinking that gsr wasnt built or tuned right.

b20vteg757

Why dont you just build a sleeved and built ls vtec and boost it on like 18 lbs. I know its not all motor but you will make more power and if you get the sleeving done by a good shop and get a good tune it will decimate many others depending on the crowd in your area. You can easily make over 500 whp in a b series if its build to handle it. Also boost is better for a daily than all motor as long as you arent doggin it every day and dont hit boost everytime you drive. High compression for a daily just isnt as practical. So why not boost it and have peace of mind and power and less modifications with the b series?

b20vteg757

**** for the price of a built all motor k series you can build a boosted b series with twice the power and still have money for some suspension parts lol

Arab300

I can get a 99 coupe with a b16 from my friend but I don't think I can build it as fast a gsr or k series. One problem I have here where I live is that people kinda suck at tuning. That build does sound reliable on power and money. I wanna make a build that will for sure get 13s or high 12s possibly.

b20vteg757

There are a few different tuners in cali that will write you a basemap based on your build and then have you street tune by datalogging with them over the phone as you drive. You have to have basic tuning knowledge to be able to do this with them though. My boy did that with his boosted gsr. Another positive to that is that you learn more about tuning. Personally I would have someone tune my car in person but that would be better for you maybe if you have shitty tuners around you.

b20vteg757

But no matter what you build a good tune is gonna make or break you so that really shouldnt be a decision makern either way boost will eat up n/a all day. Trust me right now I have a fully built n/a b20 vtec tuned and bored to 84.5 and a stock motor boosted gsr on like 12 lb's let me have it. Made me feel like building an n/a was just a waste of time. Something to think about

blackeg

so thats pretty much pathetic. my friends old boosted gsr on 9 psi made 300whp and was running 13.0@110mph at the track on street tires. a 350ish whp vtec motor in a civic is a much faster car than you may think, and will trap 115ish which means on the street it will put some lengths on most cars.

whatever you do, dont go spend 3000-4000 on a c5 motor. it's power can be replicated as an lsvtec for less than half that cost.

b20vteg757

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b20vteg757

I mean really you can sleeve an ls block and bore to 85mm and boost if your looking for something close to the displacement of k series. I think the one thing you should take from this thread is boost cant really be beaten by n/a unless its some speed factory 9 second hatch but for your price range just boost it.

Arab300

I dont have any xp with tuning so this would be hard man I wouldnt wnat to ruin something without even knowing haha.

Arab300

Thanks for the info I appreciate it a boost build is starting to get to me now.

Arab300

The boosted gsr I saw must have been a failed build because I still dont see how a stock srt4 can beat a boosted gsr.

raverx3m

iTrader: (1)

stock srt4 is 14 seconds
adding an intake to boosted car does absolutely nothing...
that guys integra must have been electric turbocharged to not beat srt4

you could do low 13s with a stock jdm itr and boltons+ a good tune if you put it in ek

crx is not much lighter than ej6( civic cx)

odz-fab

from personal experiance go k24. in an ek ther is literaly zero cutting or welding. electrical also is plug n play now. research is best. its alot of fun building a setup. alot of money too and alot of chances it can fail.

k swaps make good usuable power and still retain oem reliability.

yes you can make more power by turbo b series but it still isnt a k.