SantaCruz92Si

ive had the 1.5 inch kit, (springs and blues), i few weeks ago i spun out on my road home, twistys that im used to taking at 45-60 , well i spun out on a turn doing 40.... and there was barley any warning... it was a quick right left, and when im switching it to turn left my car is already slipping out in back. My alignment is recent... i just had new tires put on so its not traction.... i was thinking maybe a blown shock, what do i look for? its feels normal, maybe turn in feels a little soft.... but if i let go of the steering wheel i go straight.... any help please
btw i live on a bumpy *** long road that dumps into smooth twisties...

Targa250R

How about you:

A) Stop driving like a jackass on public roads where you endanger innocent people's lives and property, and

B) Stop lifting off the throttle and/or braking while turning.

shocker

hmm no offense man,but im gonna have to agree totally with targa

SantaCruz92Si

thats harsh, cause i enter the turns slowly and throttle out, and dude who brakes in the the middle of a turn like that.... not i

SantaCruz92Si

btw thanks for attempting to answer my questions

sleepydude

dont say he drives like a jackass, a road just like that is around my house and the speed limit is 45. My friend spun out his rx7 going 30 (wasnt used to rwd but thats besides the point). Dont rag on him cause he says his speed.

RACINTWEEK

it may help to set your rear toe in a little when you get your next alignment
when i did my last alignment i toed the rear out until it was on the edge of spec
because i heard thats what auto-xers do, and my *** end likes to kick out when cornering hard at high speed

so even if your alignment is in spec it can change the handling of you car greatly

Kyles ej1

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B) Stop lifting off the throttle and/or braking while turning.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ive always wondered y u do that. if u think about it , it doesnt make sence, hold the gas instead of slowing down in a turn

r0lliSl1fe

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B) Stop lifting off the throttle and/or braking while turning.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Well...It's all physics. Proper technique, which is, brake into the turn, accelerate out of the turn, follows a general model for curve theory.

If you follow that technique, you'll slow down the car enough to regain steering control (by reducing the rotational inertia in the wheels and the linear inertia in the body, woo) and the acceleration will use the drive wheels to quite literally pull (or push, if you're RWD) the car out of the turn, in the direction you ask it to go...not, as you might think, straight, when you want to turn. This is called a "radial acceleration" by physicists, and its the most common way to turn any body.

Also, braking beforehand throws weight forward to the front wheels, which gives you more traction to maneuver the car (esp. in FWD FE, since most of the weight is over those tires, which also drive the car), and accelerating out throws weight back to the rear wheels (esp. the outside wheel), which, if you have RWD, will give you even more power to drive through the turn (which is why RWD doesn't have FWD's understeer problem, the lucky sods) and if you have FWD helps the rear wheels to stay in your steering line as you go out of the corner.

If you make the mistake of letting off the throttle in the middle of a turn:
This is also called "trailing throttle" and will almost always result in oversteer. Say goodbye to your rear end, because it will fly right out of the corner. Why? Letting off the throttle (esp. in the middle of the power band) puts strain on the transmission, which, as all of us who drive stick (or have ever downshifted while moving in an automatic) know, acts as another method to slow the car down (where we get Braking Horsepower from, basically)...and slowing the car down means weight will be thrown forward. If you trail the throttle really badly, a *lot* of weight will transfer, and your rear wheels will no longer grip. In a RWD, since you're already using some of thsoe wheels' traction for driving the car, this makes it even more likely to slide out.

If you make the mistake of braking in the middle of a turn:
Almost the same issues as with trailing throttle (again, throwing weight forward and fishtailing), but depending on the road conditions, it can be worse. Without ABS, any wheel can easily lock up in panic braking, which makes things bad for you, if you're trying to grip. With ABS, its as if the vehicle takes over, and you won't be able to get out of the turn with any speed... Another reason why I dislike ABS. Then again... I can drive! Or I like to think that, anyway.

So yeah, it doesn't make sense to just brake or just gas. Brake for control in, accelerate for control out. Think about where the weight of your car is going, and what effect that has, considering your drive wheels (FWD, RWD). Oh, and for AWD, just sort of...combine my descriptions.

If I'm way off anywhere, someone tell me. But I hope this answers your question.

-r0ll

big bruce

nice one get a spring and shock set up 2.5 the lowest for you a camber kit front & rear a st sway bar kit 2 strut tower bars a cusco front lower tie bar any rear lower tie bar some brembo rotors aem pads and spend at least 96.00 on each tire maybe a 205 50 15 or get skunk2 coil overs ride them on 10 year old factory mcphearsons on Hancock tires If you see a deer in the road he has rights to stab your radiator with his antlers. That car you were gonna buy sure was a street fighter combat gi jane APC monster couple of glow sticks and a paul van dyke cd & you could start skipping at the arcades move your way up to Spundae or Giant

bad-monkey

well if you didn't mess up driving, i'm guessing you hit something like a bump, rode your bumpstops to infinity, and the wheel lost traction.

why you hit your bumpstops is another issue, and could be a blown shock that no longer has any compression resistance. blues aren't exactly the best performing shock out there.

could be a # of things, checking your shocks would be worth your time though.

Mattamotor

It sounds like you possiably did a feint action drift without knowing it. When you made the quick right the left side of the car was compressed than as you made the left that compresion coupled with a lack of shock control(blue are mearly HD replacement shocks) made the car rear end swing out. A more experinced drive probably would of been fine with that, it a fun technique to due in a sactioned enviorment, btu not something i would try on a public road.

SantaCruz92Si

apparently my car "rotates" when turning past a certain point of steering, will my control arm spherical bushings being worn (not proper term?) make my rotation point come sooner?

R.S.

ur suspension is not really good for the kind of drivining your doing...but whateva it doesn't matter that much

really, u need to learn how to drive better

SantaCruz92Si

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really, u need to learn how to drive better </TD></TR></TABLE>
Suprise Cockfag,
you have know idea what your talking about, i AX this **** and get 40 year olds in miatas drifting, i know how to drive, i just dont understand this change in my setup