They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ?
05-17-2006, 11:18 PM
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They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ?
Before you read this, please note that I posted this out of curiosity, not to **** anyone off. I run omni coilovers on one of my vehicles & like the way they perform...
They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc...
But who really designed it, who makes it ?
All of the systems are different...
I know every system is different in spring rate, shock design, rate adjustment etc.
But they all look to be VERY simular in design.
I have even seen Dropzone coilovers that looked VERY simular to Omnipower before Omni released their coilover.
D2
Function
Ksport
Megan
Omni
They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc...
But who really designed it, who makes it ?
All of the systems are different...
I know every system is different in spring rate, shock design, rate adjustment etc.
But they all look to be VERY simular in design.
I have even seen Dropzone coilovers that looked VERY simular to Omnipower before Omni released their coilover.
D2
Function
Ksport
Megan
Omni
05-18-2006, 12:54 AM
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (mtber)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtber »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[b]
All of the systems are different...
I know every system is different in spring rate, shock design, rate adjustment etc.
But they all look to be VERY simular in design.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ussually things that are designed for the same vehicle are going to look similar. tires all look the same but obviously perform differently.
also you have to look at the quality of the product not just the "Paint Job"
megans are made by BC shocks in taiwan as is apexi . problem is they use the lowest quality materials such as shock oil, and shim steel, seals etc. they last about 6 months to a year then leak and loose a lot of damping. the range of adj is really about 6 steps and 26 worthless clicks, very small adj range at best. they only offer a 1 year warranty because thats all they will last befoer somthing goes wrong.
D2/Ksport is really the same company, manufacturing in china, again using the cheapest shock oil and other materials to cut costs and use price as a selling point along with a fancy paint job to attract customers. not sure on the price of the d2 but i have seen the ksport at the taiwan yellow hat and super autobacs for 350US retail. not sure what they sell for in the states.
omnipower claims to use good quality materials and has been around for a few years now. acourding to their website they use Fina shock oil ( good oil in my opinion, actually one of the best) their spring is unique vs the others as you can see in the pics. probably made in taiwan or assembled their, obvioulsy some of the components are sourced else where such as shock oil.
function form. probably made in china or taiwan, never heard of them really but the "24 way" is probably 6 way with 18 worhtless clicks. they dont say anything about the materials they use ....probably because they dont know. saw the coilovers on JHP for 650, probably a lot of corners cut on materials to get a retail price that cheap, looks like a 1 year warranty, no shock dyno so you know its a "ready made" coilover add a badge and a box and you got a product. they use price as a selling point.
most of the materials such as aluminum and stainless have gone up substancially in the last 6 months to a year. so look for a price increase on most of the products on the market.
All of the systems are different...
I know every system is different in spring rate, shock design, rate adjustment etc.
But they all look to be VERY simular in design.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ussually things that are designed for the same vehicle are going to look similar. tires all look the same but obviously perform differently.
also you have to look at the quality of the product not just the "Paint Job"
megans are made by BC shocks in taiwan as is apexi . problem is they use the lowest quality materials such as shock oil, and shim steel, seals etc. they last about 6 months to a year then leak and loose a lot of damping. the range of adj is really about 6 steps and 26 worthless clicks, very small adj range at best. they only offer a 1 year warranty because thats all they will last befoer somthing goes wrong.
D2/Ksport is really the same company, manufacturing in china, again using the cheapest shock oil and other materials to cut costs and use price as a selling point along with a fancy paint job to attract customers. not sure on the price of the d2 but i have seen the ksport at the taiwan yellow hat and super autobacs for 350US retail. not sure what they sell for in the states.
omnipower claims to use good quality materials and has been around for a few years now. acourding to their website they use Fina shock oil ( good oil in my opinion, actually one of the best) their spring is unique vs the others as you can see in the pics. probably made in taiwan or assembled their, obvioulsy some of the components are sourced else where such as shock oil.
function form. probably made in china or taiwan, never heard of them really but the "24 way" is probably 6 way with 18 worhtless clicks. they dont say anything about the materials they use ....probably because they dont know. saw the coilovers on JHP for 650, probably a lot of corners cut on materials to get a retail price that cheap, looks like a 1 year warranty, no shock dyno so you know its a "ready made" coilover add a badge and a box and you got a product. they use price as a selling point.
most of the materials such as aluminum and stainless have gone up substancially in the last 6 months to a year. so look for a price increase on most of the products on the market.
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (mtber)
i've read somewhere on here the D2's and Functions are built at the same warehouse... not sure about the others
05-18-2006, 07:30 AM
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (thahuhstunn
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thahuhstunna »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've read somewhere on here the D2's and Functions are built at the same warehouse... not sure about the others</TD></TR></TABLE>
Things don't get built in warehouses. Factory mabey (just messin with ya)...
I'm sure your correct though. The first time I saw that design was from Tein, and they have had it for years now (might not be the first to come up with it though). I'm sure when other companies saw this setup, they realized they could manufacture a zillion of the same damper & just screw on different end mounts for different cars. All of the sudden the profit margin for performance dampers went way up. Now you can buy the same junk in any color to match your purse & high heels...
Things don't get built in warehouses. Factory mabey (just messin with ya)...
I'm sure your correct though. The first time I saw that design was from Tein, and they have had it for years now (might not be the first to come up with it though). I'm sure when other companies saw this setup, they realized they could manufacture a zillion of the same damper & just screw on different end mounts for different cars. All of the sudden the profit margin for performance dampers went way up. Now you can buy the same junk in any color to match your purse & high heels...
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (pro buster)
Could not have said it better myself.
proven, repeatable track performance should be the determining factor in choosing a coilover, but its easy to be blinded by the bling and small price tags.
proven, repeatable track performance should be the determining factor in choosing a coilover, but its easy to be blinded by the bling and small price tags.
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (thahuhstunn
[QUOTE=94eg!]Things don't get built in warehouses. Factory mabey (just messin with ya)...
bump for your creative spelling of maybe (jp), but let me know where the coilover factories are located, or can i tell from the huge plooming billows of smoke emitted from the huge stacks with TEIN or OMNIPOWER scribed along their sides, or perhaps from the few thousand employees leaving the grind at 5pm everyday, with their smoke-stained faces and callused hands, each rocking the latest in Dampa-chi attire. just messing around though. will anybody answer this man's question! 
bump for your creative spelling of maybe (jp), but let me know where the coilover factories are located, or can i tell from the huge plooming billows of smoke emitted from the huge stacks with TEIN or OMNIPOWER scribed along their sides, or perhaps from the few thousand employees leaving the grind at 5pm everyday, with their smoke-stained faces and callused hands, each rocking the latest in Dampa-chi attire. just messing around though. will anybody answer this man's question!
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (thahuhstunn
They could cut costs even more if they made the same damper, maybe with varying spring rates (from 6-12k in 2k increments) and sold the bottoms seperately, and put a "pinch bolt" on the bottoms. I know that's basically what they do now (rofl @ Omni making 3 spring rates for every car known to man, even MacP strutted cars that need lower rated springs due to leverage) but they could save a little more by not having to make separate bodies for each car...
05-19-2006, 07:21 AM
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (thahuhstunn
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thahuhstunna »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bump for your creative spelling of maybe (jp), but let me know where the coilover factories are located, or can i tell from the huge plooming billows of smoke emitted from the huge stacks with TEIN or OMNIPOWER scribed along their sides, or perhaps from the few thousand employees leaving the grind at 5pm everyday, with their smoke-stained faces and callused hands, each rocking the latest in Dampa-chi attire. just messing around though. will anybody answer this man's question! </TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL! My spelling is teh suck...
LOL! My spelling is teh suck...
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (thahuhstunn
Try Kaoshiung, or Taichung in Taiwan. The majority of these coilover manufacturers are located in the middle and lower parts of Taiwan, as land and labor are cheaper. Although many of the individual components are manufactured in plants scattered across the island.
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my uncle in china told me that a lot of taiwanese products are actually made and assemble in china too, is just with the taiwanese pays the chinese to make it then lable and ship it from taiwanese soil ....so made in taiwan.. 
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Re: They all look VERY simular: omni, ksport, d2, function, megan etc... Who makes it ? (thahuhstunn
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL! My spelling is teh suck... </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha
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http://www.bcec.com.tw/
it's all a conspiracy...luckily all jdm parts are made by their own manufacturers hence the higher price ~sarcasm
it's all a conspiracy...luckily all jdm parts are made by their own manufacturers hence the higher price ~sarcasm
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Wierd that mr Pro Buster up there has only posted once, yet seems to have oodles of information. Tell us more! Shock oil, eh? Never even gave it a 2nd thought. Where can we find out more in terms of what oil is good and who uses what?
On a side note of curiosity: What kind of shock oil do you use, PIC? And not to bag on your first comment, just another side to the coin: with racing, stuff gets rebuilt all the time, so just because a car runs X-brand, corners the best, and wins all the time, doesn't necessarily mean the shocks are durable, good/high quality shocks. They might get rebuilt each time or put in new ones for each race. That means nothing to a daily driver, who will most likely stick in some coilovers and pretty much leave them in for good (granted, track performance can be a good indication of quality...but it's not everything).
On a side note of curiosity: What kind of shock oil do you use, PIC? And not to bag on your first comment, just another side to the coin: with racing, stuff gets rebuilt all the time, so just because a car runs X-brand, corners the best, and wins all the time, doesn't necessarily mean the shocks are durable, good/high quality shocks. They might get rebuilt each time or put in new ones for each race. That means nothing to a daily driver, who will most likely stick in some coilovers and pretty much leave them in for good (granted, track performance can be a good indication of quality...but it's not everything).
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Speedball: We use Fina, and we've been using Fina ever since the creation of our first coilovers 2 years ago, and have advertised them as such from the get-go. hat others are advertising the oil they use (specifically Fina) as well following suit is an interesting turn of events...
While there are several grades of oil to choose from within Fina's selection, we chose the grade we use due to its desirable properties, and having tried other grades. You can see the details on our website.
I'm not sure what you mean by your second comment. Do you mean that a good coilover should not perform well, and reliably, on the track?
While there are several grades of oil to choose from within Fina's selection, we chose the grade we use due to its desirable properties, and having tried other grades. You can see the details on our website.
I'm not sure what you mean by your second comment. Do you mean that a good coilover should not perform well, and reliably, on the track?
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and i run 18/16
and i run 18/16
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In NYC that high spring rate **** is no go...there are potholes here that will send your A'pexi 20/18k super hyper JDM lemon racing shocks right through your damn hood no problem, promptly destroying your suspension. Even running Neuspeed Race springs is debatable (8/6k); most peeps make the compromise with Koni Yellows and Neuspeed Sports...
I mean if you live out where the roads are good in theory you could just put a brick in your shock tower and enjoy the ride...but in major cities dropping your car is a huge compromise between ride height and compliance/suspension travel...
I mean if you live out where the roads are good in theory you could just put a brick in your shock tower and enjoy the ride...but in major cities dropping your car is a huge compromise between ride height and compliance/suspension travel...
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omni won't say who makes his coilovers, we all know he doesn't have anything to do with making them. Shrug, ground control + koni, end of story, i dunno why you kids are impressed with coilovers, omnis are just a sleeve with tokico blue rated shocks throw in them and powder coated. yay 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GarageAlchemist »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">omni won't say who makes his coilovers, we all know he doesn't have anything to do with making them. Shrug, ground control + koni, end of story, i dunno why you kids are impressed with coilovers, omnis are just a sleeve with tokico blue rated shocks throw in them and powder coated. yay </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeh no offense to anybody but seriously, Koni or Bilstien FTW...I dunno how Koni's perch works but any company that can make a car rest on a nearly invisible ring of metal can probably make a quality shock...
If Omni made a shock kit with 8/6k springs and non-adjustible dampers I'd be all over that like white on rice. They could definitely do that for less than $500 MSRP. But...the Neuspeed Cup Kit is like $600 shipped for my car...matched Neuspeed springs and Koni shocks with shortened shafts...the **** is suspension ****. Unless you're on the track I dunno why anyone would go with anything else, personally *shrug* ROFL @ 1024 levels of adjustible damping...
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeh no offense to anybody but seriously, Koni or Bilstien FTW...I dunno how Koni's perch works but any company that can make a car rest on a nearly invisible ring of metal can probably make a quality shock...
If Omni made a shock kit with 8/6k springs and non-adjustible dampers I'd be all over that like white on rice. They could definitely do that for less than $500 MSRP. But...the Neuspeed Cup Kit is like $600 shipped for my car...matched Neuspeed springs and Koni shocks with shortened shafts...the **** is suspension ****. Unless you're on the track I dunno why anyone would go with anything else, personally *shrug* ROFL @ 1024 levels of adjustible damping...
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i didnt kno nuespeed made a cup kit.
i thought h&r makes them i have the h&r cup kit on my car for 3 years still rides like the day i got them
i never got to compare it to a standard koni yellow to see any difference but they says its vavled for the spring that came with the kit
i thought h&r makes them i have the h&r cup kit on my car for 3 years still rides like the day i got them
i never got to compare it to a standard koni yellow to see any difference but they says its vavled for the spring that came with the kit