Ade T

Hi all,

I acquired some replacement inner & outer tie rods for my eg civic recently after reading around the forum MOOG products seemed to be a quality yet economical alternative to OEM Honda.

Upon studying them in a little more detail it appears all the tie rods are stamped CTR, which after some research is a South Korean company :: Central Corporation ::. There logo - (http://www.baalbeck.ae/brand/ctr.gif).

The logo matches exactly what is stamped on my parts:






The serial numbers on all the boxes have been checked on the MOOG website and they are all present and correct, therefore fakes can be ruled out.

So it appears in this instance MOOG are reboxing CTR products.... has anyone had any experience MOOG reboxing components? Or heard of CTR?

egsleepercivic

From what I understand moog doesn't make anything but boxes..lol

https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-d...rands-3234057/

aw614

Doesn't moog have different product lines some of the cheaper lower grade replacement stuff and more expensive grade?

The Moog UCAs I bought last year were made in Japan matching what many posts on the forums mentioned.

redlinetuning

"Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! " - Armageddon. What's the big deal? You say as if some American-made stuff isn't junk.

OmarR

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From my understanding, the R-series parts sold by Moog are the ones to avoid. I bought a pair of Moog outer tie rod ends for my Integra which I believe are the same as EG ones.

Mine were advertised as "problem solver." The boot has "Moog" on it so I to the belief it is the actual part Moog makes in house. On their website, they show the tie rods able to be greased as being Asia spec.

This is what I received:

94EG8

^ Those Moog boots are horrible, there's nothing to keep dirt and water from getting in. As a rule Moog will be just as bad, or worse than the cheap house brand you'll get at your local auto parts store, but for quite a bit more money. Occasionally you'll get something decent in a Moog box (I have gotten Sankei/555 tie rod ends in Moog boxes before) If you're not going to buy OEM (and honestly it's well worth the money to just buy the OEM stuff and be done with it, because normally you'll only need to buy it once and you'll get 100,000 miles or more out of it) try to find either Sankei/555 or Beck/Arnley (also simply repackages someone elses product, but normally it's high quality stuff, in some cases you'll actually get an OEM part) I believe TRW is also decent but I haven't really tried anything other than some control arm bushings for a Tacoma.

Bently_Coop

I bought some Moog upper control arms from and the balljoints have a three 555 five logo. I also don't purchase the cheapest item they have. Typically go for the proffesional line.

deving916

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Should he/I just replace the boot with an OEM one?

I bought MOOG tie rod ends and lower ball joints for my 00 integra and they're all stamped as "moog problem solver"

94EG8

I don't think you can. I don't think they have the ring for the lip of an OEM boot to fit in.

lostforawhile

the moog boots on the problem solvers are designed like that for a reason, you can grease the fitting and force dirt and crap out when you do, the metal in the problem solvers is also different, it's more porous and designed to help hold grease

B serious

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I don't like dealing with greasing tie rods. OEM Honda tie rods last 100-200k+ miles without any maintenance or worry. If you're looking to keep the car for a long time or track it or something...then I'd say that Honda genuine is the way to go. You'd be looking to spend about $50-80 more than aftermarket for a pair of tie rods on average. So if you're looking for peace of mind...maybe that extra $50-80 is worth it.

For most people, something like a Moog or Raybestos or other aftermarket part will work just fine for years. They're $20 or something. If they fail in 1.5-2 years, are you really going to cry about it? Will you own the car that long? Who cares?

Also, just because they're made in South Korea doesn't mean they're junk. Samsung is made in South Korea. As well as a HUGE variety of other brands that are considered high quality. There's plenty of stuff made in the US or Japan or even Europe that's junk too.

spAdam

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Agreed. Greasable fittings are obsolete technology. If you need the peace of mind that what you got is going to last as long as the original, then an original replacement is the obvious choice. If you're willing to roll the dice a little, are willing to possibly learn a lesson (good or bad!), or just don't care that much, then maybe trying an aftermarket part is just fine.

Either way, the replacement is probably 100x better than the 20 year stuff that's currently on the car.