KONI GC combo or KSPORT????
03-08-2006, 01:36 PM
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KONI GC combo or KSPORT????
ok guys ive finally narrowed down to just two sets of suspension for my 98 civic coupe. Im either gonna buy KONI Yellow with GC's OR KSPORT kontrol pro. This is for sure one or the other, i hope. 
But please i need opinions to help me decide because ive been in this dilemma for so many weeks now! THANK YOU ALL in advance! 
edit: would like pros and cons of each
But please i need opinions to help me decide because ive been in this dilemma for so many weeks now! THANK YOU ALL in advance! edit: would like pros and cons of each
03-08-2006, 02:58 PM
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Re: KONI GC combo or KSPORT???? (B16Buscarlo)
Wrong forum buddy, try the 92-00 civic forum, but I would definitely go with the koni gc combo. I know many ef owners use them. You can get custom spring rates from eibach, and the dampening of the konis are great. I havent heard any bad things from Ksport, but Ksports all seem kinda cheap. Even with the 32 way adjustables, who knows if they actually make that much of a real difference in dampening.
03-08-2006, 03:18 PM
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Re: KONI GC combo or KSPORT???? (Fugly rex)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fugly rex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wrong forum buddy, try the 92-00 civic forum, but I would definitely go with the koni gc combo. I know many ef owners use them. You can get custom spring rates from eibach, and the dampening of the konis are great. I havent heard any bad things from Ksport, but Ksports all seem kinda cheap. Even with the 32 way adjustables, who knows if they actually make that much of a real difference in dampening. </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha sorry im a n00b as you can see...but yea thanks for the help ill prolly repost in the other forum.
haha sorry im a n00b as you can see...but yea thanks for the help ill prolly repost in the other forum.
03-08-2006, 04:50 PM
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Re: (808_si)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fugly rex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wrong forum buddy </TD></TR></TABLE>
??? This seems an aweful lot like a suspension question to me...
Koni/GC
??? This seems an aweful lot like a suspension question to me...
Koni/GC
03-08-2006, 08:48 PM
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Yeah, I'm curious too, why koni/gc? Has anyone ridden in both setups? If so... what do each feel like? comparisons? Can you compare either setup with other cars (preferably stock) you've ridden/driven in?
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03-21-2006, 06:41 PM
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I had my EF rolling on Koni/GC. Great combo and such a wider range then the Ksport setup. Whats nice about the GC setup is the use of Eibach springs and the Koni Yellows...rebuildable and just amazing.
However, I think if I were to do it again I would opt to do the Ksports. I like the fact that having a full, TRUE COILOVER, design with matched dampening of the shocks with the spring rates will give a better ride.
Then again, I might just be lazy.
If you need a KONI/GC combo for an ef, I have a complete set for sale
-Jon
However, I think if I were to do it again I would opt to do the Ksports. I like the fact that having a full, TRUE COILOVER, design with matched dampening of the shocks with the spring rates will give a better ride.
Then again, I might just be lazy.
If you need a KONI/GC combo for an ef, I have a complete set for sale
-Jon
03-21-2006, 06:59 PM
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Re: (CRX-Fluffy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX-Fluffy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, I think if I were to do it again I would opt to do the Ksports. I like the fact that having a full, TRUE COILOVER, design with matched dampening of the shocks with the spring rates will give a better ride.-Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bull, There is no differnce in functionality between how a sleeve setup works and a threaded bodied shock. Most manufactures make shocks that will work on a wide range of spring rates, and the KSports shocks are no more matched to the spring rate the come with, than the Koni's are matched to the Spring rate you get from GC. Add to the fact that I would rather have my shocks matched to how I want the car to perform overall, plus the Koni Shock outperfroms most other in the same price range by a huge amount it is a no brainer to me.
Bull, There is no differnce in functionality between how a sleeve setup works and a threaded bodied shock. Most manufactures make shocks that will work on a wide range of spring rates, and the KSports shocks are no more matched to the spring rate the come with, than the Koni's are matched to the Spring rate you get from GC. Add to the fact that I would rather have my shocks matched to how I want the car to perform overall, plus the Koni Shock outperfroms most other in the same price range by a huge amount it is a no brainer to me.
03-22-2006, 01:35 PM
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Re: (Solracer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solracer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Bull, There is no differnce in functionality between how a sleeve setup works and a threaded bodied shock. Most manufactures make shocks that will work on a wide range of spring rates, and the KSports shocks are no more matched to the spring rate the come with, than the Koni's are matched to the Spring rate you get from GC. Add to the fact that I would rather have my shocks matched to how I want the car to perform overall, plus the Koni Shock outperfroms most other in the same price range by a huge amount it is a no brainer to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah but then i dont have the money for the yellows with gc. and i dont think i would need to spend that much i just want something i can adjust but at the same time and have it how i want it and have it as a dailey driven car
Bull, There is no differnce in functionality between how a sleeve setup works and a threaded bodied shock. Most manufactures make shocks that will work on a wide range of spring rates, and the KSports shocks are no more matched to the spring rate the come with, than the Koni's are matched to the Spring rate you get from GC. Add to the fact that I would rather have my shocks matched to how I want the car to perform overall, plus the Koni Shock outperfroms most other in the same price range by a huge amount it is a no brainer to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah but then i dont have the money for the yellows with gc. and i dont think i would need to spend that much i just want something i can adjust but at the same time and have it how i want it and have it as a dailey driven car
03-22-2006, 05:52 PM
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meh, whatever reason, fact remains that fluffy chose ksports over koni/gc b/c of ease of install and ride quality. Good to know.
Fluffy, I'm guessing the koni/gc combo cornered better?
Fluffy, I'm guessing the koni/gc combo cornered better?
03-23-2006, 04:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ackavong »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
yeah but then i dont have the money for the yellows with gc. and i dont think i would need to spend that much i just want something i can adjust but at the same time and have it how i want it and have it as a dailey driven car</TD></TR></TABLE>
The look at some good shocks (Koni Reds, Illuimina's,) and some lowering springs, this is the best setup IMHO for a car that is mostly street driven the ride will be good due to the progressive rate of lowering springs, but they will still handel better than stock.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedball3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">meh, whatever reason, fact remains that fluffy chose ksports over koni/gc b/c of ease of install and ride quality. Good to know.
Fluffy, I'm guessing the koni/gc combo cornered better?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ride Quality is going to be determined by spring rate mostly and how the shocks can handel said spring rate, Handeling will be determmined how well the shock works with said spring rate.
While I think the KSport/D2 is one of the better clone's of a JDM Type suspension by swithing them out from his koni's he has severly downgraded his shock perfomance, where if he was looking for a better ride a simple spring swtich may have been all that was needed, but a fool and his money are easily parted.
yeah but then i dont have the money for the yellows with gc. and i dont think i would need to spend that much i just want something i can adjust but at the same time and have it how i want it and have it as a dailey driven car</TD></TR></TABLE>
The look at some good shocks (Koni Reds, Illuimina's,) and some lowering springs, this is the best setup IMHO for a car that is mostly street driven the ride will be good due to the progressive rate of lowering springs, but they will still handel better than stock.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedball3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">meh, whatever reason, fact remains that fluffy chose ksports over koni/gc b/c of ease of install and ride quality. Good to know.
Fluffy, I'm guessing the koni/gc combo cornered better?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ride Quality is going to be determined by spring rate mostly and how the shocks can handel said spring rate, Handeling will be determmined how well the shock works with said spring rate.
While I think the KSport/D2 is one of the better clone's of a JDM Type suspension by swithing them out from his koni's he has severly downgraded his shock perfomance, where if he was looking for a better ride a simple spring swtich may have been all that was needed, but a fool and his money are easily parted.
03-23-2006, 01:37 PM
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Generally speaking, Koni make much better shock. It suppose to work good if team with GC. However, there is one inevitable problem with Koni, the shock body is too long for most application. It is designed per OEM size, which limited the shock compression travel after lowered. I’ve raced / won with my Koni/GC and now my Omni Sport. I must say Omni handles better than Koni/GC. My spring rate with Koni/GC was F 550 R 600 (autoX spec). Even with that high of spring rate, my car still experience bump stopping with reasonable ride height (~1.75 inch drop to maximize the travel / camber ratio). Now most should know how bad bump stopping is in terms handling.
BTW, before anyone bashing me switching from koni/GC to Omni, I must stated that I got my Omni sport really cheap (brand new), and sold my koni/GC for a really good price (~80% of my cost). Althoght I never have the chance to try it out myself, but I am pretty sure koni/GC + GC top hat will work a lot better with the extra 1 inch of travel (due to rules set for my class, i am not allowed to modify top hat). Much better than my Omni.
Modified by v67-gsr at 2:54 PM 3/23/2006
BTW, before anyone bashing me switching from koni/GC to Omni, I must stated that I got my Omni sport really cheap (brand new), and sold my koni/GC for a really good price (~80% of my cost). Althoght I never have the chance to try it out myself, but I am pretty sure koni/GC + GC top hat will work a lot better with the extra 1 inch of travel (due to rules set for my class, i am not allowed to modify top hat). Much better than my Omni.
Modified by v67-gsr at 2:54 PM 3/23/2006
03-23-2006, 02:20 PM
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Don't try to save money & buy Koni's used. The lifetime warranty is only valid to the original purchaser. You don't want to pay to have them re-built if anythings goes wrong...
The lifetime warranty from both companies is more than enough reason to go with Koni/GC. Neither company has rediculous qualifiers for their warranty (like other shock companies).
Plus, both GC & Koni offer great customer service that is hard to find in motorsports...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX-Fluffy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the fact that having a full, TRUE COILOVER, design with matched dampening of the shocks with the spring rates will give a better ride.
-Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>
Shock valving has much less to do with spring-rate than you would think. Springs are chossen for a specific ride quality & roll stiffness. Shock compression is chossen to controll unsprung weight, and shock rebound is mostly used to tune oversteer/understeer. As long as the valving is stiff enough to keep the springs under control, the valving can be set how ever makes you as a driver "feel" confident...
The lifetime warranty from both companies is more than enough reason to go with Koni/GC. Neither company has rediculous qualifiers for their warranty (like other shock companies).
Plus, both GC & Koni offer great customer service that is hard to find in motorsports...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX-Fluffy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the fact that having a full, TRUE COILOVER, design with matched dampening of the shocks with the spring rates will give a better ride.
-Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>
Shock valving has much less to do with spring-rate than you would think. Springs are chossen for a specific ride quality & roll stiffness. Shock compression is chossen to controll unsprung weight, and shock rebound is mostly used to tune oversteer/understeer. As long as the valving is stiff enough to keep the springs under control, the valving can be set how ever makes you as a driver "feel" confident...
03-23-2006, 02:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v67-gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Generally speaking, Koni make much better shock. It suppose to work good if team with GC. However, there is one inevitable problem with Koni, the shock body is too long for most application...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You really only need upper mounts if your ride is really low (2.5" or more). When your drop is moderate, the stiffness of the GC springs will keep your shocks from bottoming. I'm lowered 3" and I only use the GC top hats in the front...
You really only need upper mounts if your ride is really low (2.5" or more). When your drop is moderate, the stiffness of the GC springs will keep your shocks from bottoming. I'm lowered 3" and I only use the GC top hats in the front...
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